Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Video & Multimedia

In reply to the discussion: Terraforming Mars [View all]
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
1. Neat video, but there's a few problems with the idea...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:18 AM
Oct 2012

First... fixing our own planet should be top priority. No use having a spare if you don't know how to handle the original.

Second.. .theres' a reason Mars' atmosphere is so thin. Unlike earth, it does not have an active iron core; it thus has a weak magnetosphere. its atmosphere is thus under constant, unprotected assault from the sun, which degenerates and erodes it. The trick is finding a way to make and preserve an atmosphere.

Third... Where is all that water coming from? Yes, there's water on Mars, but it's pretty evident that it's far less water than earth. At just a few degrees lower global average, earth is basically a white ball; covered in ice (it's happened in the past; the so-called "Ice Ages" of the Pleistocene were balmy days, by comparison). mars is far below that temperature, and so far all we know of is substrate ice. THis ties back to the problem above; Water is an integral part of our atmosphere. Water is also very volatile. Most of Mars' water has been steady been beaten offworld into space these last few billion years.

Fourth... ecology. Okay, say we learned how to keep a planet running, we've managed to build and protect the atmosphere, and thanks to harnessed asteroid resources, Mars has water comparable to earth. Okay. What lives in that water? It's going to be at least a few centuries before all that toxic goop that washed off the surface into the new canals, canyons, and inland seas settles down, bonds, decays, or what have you. Until then, the waters of Mars are basically going to be the silty runoff from a smelter's parking lot. You could probably stock that with bacteria but, unless you know how to build a world that runs off sulfur dioxide, it might not be that helpful. Even if we surmount that (and not being a species famed for patience, I wouldn't bet on it) then we still have to figure out how to build entire ecosystems from scratch. it's not "plant a tree here and put some bunnies nearby," it's full-out recreating a system that has taken five billion years to develop and tune itself to Earth, and trying to shoehorn it into a foreign world in a matter of centuries or, god help us, decades. Depending on how degraded Earth is by that time (since every speck of life will likely have to be imported) this may actually be completely impossible.

Conceptually, it works great. In practice, operated by primates with large genitals who tend to top out at eighty years of age? It just won't happen.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Terraforming Mars [View all] Quixote1818 Oct 2012 OP
Neat video, but there's a few problems with the idea... Scootaloo Oct 2012 #1
!! heaven05 Oct 2012 #11
hmm kenfrequed Oct 2012 #15
okay heaven05 Oct 2012 #16
That doesn't make sense. kenfrequed Oct 2012 #21
yeah heaven05 Oct 2012 #22
sigh kenfrequed Oct 2012 #23
you heaven05 Oct 2012 #27
+1. But it's a nice diversion while all Earth's resources are stolen, though. freshwest Oct 2012 #26
Fascinating. kat22 Oct 2012 #2
There one very fatal flaw to this… MrScorpio Oct 2012 #3
Just Big Enough To Send All The Republicans. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2012 #4
Maybe Crow73 Oct 2012 #7
Earth has undergone reversal of its magnetic field before.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #5
90% Crow73 Oct 2012 #6
The sky is full of dust now, the rain would clear that up.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #8
A couple of things Confusious Oct 2012 #30
LET'S SEE... drynberg Oct 2012 #9
After so many billion years Earth will get too hot to live on Quixote1818 Oct 2012 #10
HA!! heaven05 Oct 2012 #12
?? iamthebandfanman Oct 2012 #13
okay heaven05 Oct 2012 #14
Actually, once Earth gets too hot to live on and Mars is warming up Quixote1818 Oct 2012 #17
yep heaven05 Oct 2012 #18
Here is more realistic short term project Quixote1818 Oct 2012 #19
These are fairly reasonable arguments kenfrequed Oct 2012 #24
We're the 3rd planet from the sun Confusious Oct 2012 #31
Cool video, but until we "terraform" our strip mines, I don't think we should fuck up another planet HopeHoops Oct 2012 #20
How would we "fuck up" a dead planet? nt Confusious Oct 2012 #28
Oh, if there's a way to do it, we'll find it. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #32
It's dead. Confusious Oct 2012 #33
Dead, or dormant? Earth had long "dead" periods. Our propulsion methods are deficient. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #34
Seriously? So much wrong. Confusious Oct 2012 #35
Well, the "no magnetic field" thing is significant, but Curiosity has pretty much proven water. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #36
What kind of life forms are we sending to Mars? Confusious Oct 2012 #40
More to the point, what kinds of life has Mars sent here? And not just mars, asteroids. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #42
For all we know, the original building blocks are 10 B years old or more. Confusious Oct 2012 #43
More like 13, but hey, now we're just getting petty. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #44
Right- Because Messing with Two Eco Systems is So Much Better fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #25
Ecosystem implies life Confusious Oct 2012 #29
Watch the video. fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #37
Yea... and? nothing new Confusious Oct 2012 #38
Obviously fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #39
Well, you thought something Confusious Oct 2012 #41
So..... fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #45
I watched the video... Nothing new Confusious Oct 2012 #46
Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #47
I said I was guessing Confusious Oct 2012 #48
Confusious Says fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #49
If you're misusing and misrepresenting Confusious Oct 2012 #50
Peace fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #51
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Video & Multimedia»Terraforming Mars»Reply #1