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hlthe2b

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15. Not if condemned fights an oxygen-proof seal of a mask .
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 01:32 PM
Sep 2022

The point they are trying to address is to avoid IV catheterizations that have caused problems with some of the horrendous injectable drug protocols in the past including the horrendous OK attempt to use midazolam, a sedative; vecuronium bromide, a paralyzing drug, and potassium chloride, which stops the heart--only to find half those drugs painfully entered the tissues spaces from a bungled infiltrated catheter.

In theory, Nitrogen induced-anoxia would not need medical professionals, but it is also dangerous to those in the room should a leak develop. And a mask or hood for delivery would undoubtedly require some sedation and/or a secured head to ensure proper mask placement and maintenance.

Sedatives are notoriously variable in dose-related effects so drugs that also afford some restraint properties (e.g., ketamine, haloperidol). For a prisoner to be afforded their "last words" as a right of the condemned, heavy doses of diazepines, or opiates to assist with preventing struggle would be problematic.

Those who think this would be free of problems have never dealt with violent people, psych patients, or wildlife, for that matter. And the thought that this would be painless is naive' in real-world settings.

As one who is and always has been anti-death penalty, I would still hope that those making the decisions on this would be well informed by those who have the background and expertise. That said, those who would WANT to consult may well be the last ones society should WANT to do so. In many of these states, expediency that will minimally pass muster with the courts is their goal and a process more akin to compassionate euthanasia is decidedly not.

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They will be anti abortion and pro death liberal N proud Sep 2022 #1
Is that laughing gas? multigraincracker Sep 2022 #2
Pure nitrogen causes asphyxiation. Harker Sep 2022 #7
No. Laughing gas is Nitrous Oxide. They will use Nitrogen gas with a mask to preclude oxygen hlthe2b Sep 2022 #8
"without the overt symptoms of asphyxia." If I remember correctly the terror of asphyxia is mitch96 Sep 2022 #13
Not if condemned fights an oxygen-proof seal of a mask . hlthe2b Sep 2022 #15
"fights an oxygen-proof seal of a mask " That could be remedied with a gas chamber like mitch96 Sep 2022 #17
Yeah. Anyway you look at the issue it just becomes worse and worse. hlthe2b Sep 2022 #18
I don't know if you watched the vid posted on this thread but the last guy when asked how mitch96 Sep 2022 #22
I hadn't watched it, but that does not surprise me. hlthe2b Sep 2022 #23
Why don't they just give them an overdose of Fentanyl or Oxy? jmbar2 Sep 2022 #3
IV drip of morphine would be easy. LiberalArkie Sep 2022 #6
This! Easy, obvious, effective, and apparently drama-free sanatanadharma Sep 2022 #9
Yes, but these sadists WANT them to suffer. hlthe2b Sep 2022 #11
If they spent as much time helping people as they did inventing ways to kill them... canuckledragger Sep 2022 #4
This may be the best option if the US is going to use the death penalty JT45242 Sep 2022 #5
K&R burrowowl Sep 2022 #10
What could be finer than death by suffocation. Chainfire Sep 2022 #12
Sounds like what the nazi did in WW2 to kill people they thought "unworthy" ... uff mitch96 Sep 2022 #14
I am against the death penalty, but if it is going to be used, I would prefer this for me. Dysfunctional Sep 2022 #16
Lethal injection could have been made more humane Warpy Sep 2022 #19
God forbid the condemned should feel a slight bit of euphoria as they die Pmc1962 Sep 2022 #21
It's really cheap, and no drug companies to deal with Simeon Salus Sep 2022 #20
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