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TahitiNut

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34. The label "assault" is a reference to military use.
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:19 PM
Dec 2012

When folks form their opinions based upon some spectrum of lethality based upon military use in combat conditions, it's IMPORTANT to realize how individual weapons are, in fact, used. And why. Having SOME experience in this regard, I want to offer some information that likely challenges some public assumptions. The assumption that I'm challenging is the presumed relative lethality of the M16/AR-15 in automatic mode as opposed to semi-automatic mode. It is arguable whether a shooter could kill more people with any given amount of ammunition in fully automatic mode as opposed to semi-automatic mode. In my opinion, he could NOT. YMMV.

Likewise, it's IMPORTANT to understand the HUGE difference (for an armed defender) between targeting the "bad guy" in a crowd as opposed to how the military trains troops. In "combat conditions," it's a LOT easier ... unless, of course, the "bad guys" are surrounded. There is far too little appreciation for the HUGE potential for "collateral damage" with an armed defender/security person. Of all the folks in our society who're trained and equipped to use weapons in some military or law enforcement role, VERY few are trained in their use in an urban/street/crowd situation.

It's difficult to convey an appreciation for the horrific damage done to the human body by the standard AR-15 .223 slug. I've seen victims of Claymore mines that had FAR less damage.


I'm scared to watch! tblue Dec 2012 #1
Excellent Post. Let's not forget that even in Semi-Auto mode they are still an assault weapon. Hoyt Dec 2012 #2
That's backwards. Once the string makes it full auto, it's no longer an assault weapon Recursion Dec 2012 #29
That is a machine gun and I hope someone has referred this video to the BATFE. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #3
Also, that particular AR was made after 1986, so..yeah. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #6
I'd have to argue regarding the "can't hit shit" . . . ET Awful Dec 2012 #9
Have you ever tried it with anything larger than a submachine gun? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #18
Having spent 10 years in the Infantry and having had extensive MOUT training ET Awful Dec 2012 #22
If you've fired an M-16 on full auto AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #26
Once again, you're ignoring range. ET Awful Dec 2012 #28
wish you were right. daybranch Dec 2012 #25
That was a long time ago. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #27
Beginning with the M16A2 (issues in the 90's for the first time), there is no full auto on the M16. ET Awful Dec 2012 #30
I agree. 4bucksagallon Dec 2012 #31
wish you were right. daybranch Dec 2012 #32
all guns are assault weapons - "In law, assault is a crime that involves causing a victim msongs Dec 2012 #4
I'm not sure if that will work or not. JoeyT Dec 2012 #5
I think you are missing the point on all counts. Schema Thing Dec 2012 #7
I'm in complete agreement with your words here... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #12
It's bizarre how SO MANY people just don't comprehend how such weapons ... TahitiNut Dec 2012 #8
your caveat is a sad irony: if more of those guys talked, there would be fewer wars yurbud Dec 2012 #11
Interesting... MikeGreg Dec 2012 #13
I haven't posted on here since my husband died. MedicalAdmin Dec 2012 #17
"Account status: Posting privileges revoked" TahitiNut Dec 2012 #21
We aren't talking about "combat conditions", we're talking about hitting as many targets as possible ET Awful Dec 2012 #23
The label "assault" is a reference to military use. TahitiNut Dec 2012 #34
Guns are not the problem MikeGreg Dec 2012 #10
For crying out loud. secondvariety Dec 2012 #16
I'm pretty sure guns had something to do with it. MedicalAdmin Dec 2012 #19
Guns. Are. The. Problem! RC Dec 2012 #20
Or good people like . . . Nancy Lanza? ET Awful Dec 2012 #24
It must be blissful going through life with a Bumper Sticker IQ. TahitiNut Dec 2012 #35
Any gun that can be converted to full auto by a rubber ban... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #14
Guns Are The Main Problem Forrestted Dec 2012 #15
automatic frankroberts Dec 2012 #33
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