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customerserviceguy

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3. So
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:12 PM
Dec 2012

How's it going to be redeemed?

There are only three ways:

1) Federal budget surpluses where the amount of taxes taken in exceed money spent. In other words, raising taxes on the rich that already own enough of Congress that they're willing to drive to the point of recession to get what they want.

2) Flooding the market with 2-3 trillion dollars of new, fully negotiable securities. In other words, even more borrowing from investors overseas or domestically, who are already being offered T-bills and notes on to finance a budget that is not (and may never be) balanced as contemplated by point #1.

3) Simply issuing checks with no "real" money to back them up. In other words, simply inflating the currency, and heading down the path of Zimbabwe.

Do you see any other ways to get those IOU's (Bernie Sanders called them that, too) redeemed? And then, how are 2-3 trillion dollars going to cover the 15 trillion obligation of Social Security?

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What a jerk. zeemike Dec 2012 #1
The lesser people... you know former_con Dec 2012 #2
Simpson is a master of rhetoric appealing to the young and the poor, while simultaneously screwing TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #9
Overconfident, bragging thieves have earned... BlueNoteSpecial Dec 2012 #40
Frankly, I lost track of how many lies he told there. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #13
Did I hear wrong??? Plucketeer Dec 2012 #32
Excellent analogy... you heard it right... former_con Dec 2012 #35
May I post your analogy elsewhere? n/t bitchkitty Dec 2012 #43
Sure thing! Plucketeer Dec 2012 #44
So customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #3
Presumably the same way ANY of our debt obligations will be redeemed. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #8
I like many things about Simpson, but he has this thing about Social Security, Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #4
Thanks for expressing this so clearly. h2ebits Dec 2012 #5
Thank you! There's an equally clear solution. Remove the payroll tax cap. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #19
Alan Simpson's version of the 47%. Lesser people. hay rick Dec 2012 #6
In fact, we know what the attitude of the elites is. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #20
Rick's Burgers, in Spokane, hasa Whammy, a Double Whammy, and a Triple Whammy. jtuck004 Dec 2012 #7
Hah! Good point. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #11
The largest holder of U.S. debt is its citizens Samantha Dec 2012 #10
All very true! It's even MORE clever than Norquist's 'starve the beast' strategy. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #30
Those "IOUs" are US Treasuries, the epitome of security. Zen Democrat Dec 2012 #12
Exactly. UNLESS somebody is trying to float the idea that money owed by STATE governments to TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #15
Then why did RWers mock Gore for the SS Lock-box idea in 2000? nt ErikJ Dec 2012 #14
Better yet...why did they elect THE SHRUB when Gore was promising to use Clinton's budget surplus TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #17
Sometimes so-called conspiracy theories are just the truth. savannah43 Dec 2012 #16
Well, I'm a bigger fan of Occam's Razor. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #18
"Why assume conspiracy when incompetence will do?" FiveGoodMen Dec 2012 #38
If they decide not to honor the Treasuries that SS holds Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #21
Iceland style! I like it! TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #26
The Social Security trust fund wouldn't be full of IOUs WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #22
Simpson is about as bright as Jessica. AAO Dec 2012 #23
We are at a point, where the choice is Social Security or defense, and he refuses to cut defense. happyslug Dec 2012 #24
The big Republican Lie, told by a Republican liar and sadly, repeated even here sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #25
The "IOU's" in the Social Security Trust Fund... jjewell Dec 2012 #27
Yes, that would certainly be true if the SS Trust fund asked for the money when the Bonds mature, TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #28
What a clear view hodger Dec 2012 #29
Thank you! TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #31
Fantastic post Left Turn Only Dec 2012 #34
Hows that song go? Plucketeer Dec 2012 #33
It's all in t-bills. Republicans default on one single t-bill Warpy Dec 2012 #36
The SS Trust Fund could provide a written statement (like a bank statement) of borrowers and DhhD Dec 2012 #37
Bonds to China joetubes Dec 2012 #39
IOUs? paleotn Dec 2012 #41
What a creep. Quantess Dec 2012 #42
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