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happyslug

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24. We are at a point, where the choice is Social Security or defense, and he refuses to cut defense.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:10 AM
Dec 2012

Remember we have had a Social Security Surplus for decades, but that is coming to an end. To keep present benefits levels, that pass surplus has to be "paid back" and that means with income taxes OR other sources of revenue (i.e. borrow more money). Thus he is facing a call to raise INCOME TAXES or CUT DEFENSE SPENDING. He does NOT want to do either, thus by calling the Social Security surplus, not a surplus, he does NOT have to pay it back and reserve the money raised for defense (or refuse to raise Income Taxes to pay for defense and to pay back Social Security).

The response should have been, if we do NOT have to honor the US TREASURY BONDS HELD BY THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION, why should we honor ANY US TREASURY BONDS? Right now the interest on the debt is about 10-20% of the budget, by abolishing the debt we "Save" that much money. It is the same logic, the Federal Government can abolish its debts, the Constitution forbids the STATES from abolishing their debts, but the Federal Government can (The US Constitution also forbids the states from abolishing Contracts, but the Federal Government can). Thus Congress can abolish the Social Security Surplus. The problem is, if Congress does that, what prevents Congress from abolishing all the other US Treasury Debts? The answer is NOTHING.

In many ways this is the big fear of investors when it comes to Social Security, if Congress abolish the Social Security held Treasury bonds, the next step is ALL US Treasury bonds. Thus cutting the Trust Treasury bonds can lead investors to abandon US Treasury Bonds, on the grounds the bonds are to risky,

This fear is the only reason Congress has NOT pushed to abolish the trust fund surplus, it is the fear that if the US bonds do NOT sell, then all the US can do is print money OR raise taxes AND cut spending (and I am looking at a 90% defense cut, just like what Russia did when the Soviet Union Collapsed). This is NOT a problem as long as the US can borrow money, but the US can borrow money for it has NEVER abolished its debts, thus investors feel secure with US Treasury bonds.

This is a circle, US can borrow, for it pays its debts. Paying off the debt, permits more borrowing. If the Treasury bonds held by Social Security are abolished, how will that make investors view the rest of the US treasury bonds? This is the problem the Right wing advocate of abolishing the Social Security Surplus do NOT want to address or even hear for it means their plan to abolish the SS Trust funds, undercuts they plan to maintain defense spending.

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What a jerk. zeemike Dec 2012 #1
The lesser people... you know former_con Dec 2012 #2
Simpson is a master of rhetoric appealing to the young and the poor, while simultaneously screwing TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #9
Overconfident, bragging thieves have earned... BlueNoteSpecial Dec 2012 #40
Frankly, I lost track of how many lies he told there. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #13
Did I hear wrong??? Plucketeer Dec 2012 #32
Excellent analogy... you heard it right... former_con Dec 2012 #35
May I post your analogy elsewhere? n/t bitchkitty Dec 2012 #43
Sure thing! Plucketeer Dec 2012 #44
So customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #3
Presumably the same way ANY of our debt obligations will be redeemed. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #8
I like many things about Simpson, but he has this thing about Social Security, Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #4
Thanks for expressing this so clearly. h2ebits Dec 2012 #5
Thank you! There's an equally clear solution. Remove the payroll tax cap. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #19
Alan Simpson's version of the 47%. Lesser people. hay rick Dec 2012 #6
In fact, we know what the attitude of the elites is. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #20
Rick's Burgers, in Spokane, hasa Whammy, a Double Whammy, and a Triple Whammy. jtuck004 Dec 2012 #7
Hah! Good point. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #11
The largest holder of U.S. debt is its citizens Samantha Dec 2012 #10
All very true! It's even MORE clever than Norquist's 'starve the beast' strategy. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #30
Those "IOUs" are US Treasuries, the epitome of security. Zen Democrat Dec 2012 #12
Exactly. UNLESS somebody is trying to float the idea that money owed by STATE governments to TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #15
Then why did RWers mock Gore for the SS Lock-box idea in 2000? nt ErikJ Dec 2012 #14
Better yet...why did they elect THE SHRUB when Gore was promising to use Clinton's budget surplus TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #17
Sometimes so-called conspiracy theories are just the truth. savannah43 Dec 2012 #16
Well, I'm a bigger fan of Occam's Razor. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #18
"Why assume conspiracy when incompetence will do?" FiveGoodMen Dec 2012 #38
If they decide not to honor the Treasuries that SS holds Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #21
Iceland style! I like it! TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #26
The Social Security trust fund wouldn't be full of IOUs WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #22
Simpson is about as bright as Jessica. AAO Dec 2012 #23
We are at a point, where the choice is Social Security or defense, and he refuses to cut defense. happyslug Dec 2012 #24
The big Republican Lie, told by a Republican liar and sadly, repeated even here sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #25
The "IOU's" in the Social Security Trust Fund... jjewell Dec 2012 #27
Yes, that would certainly be true if the SS Trust fund asked for the money when the Bonds mature, TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #28
What a clear view hodger Dec 2012 #29
Thank you! TrollBuster9090 Dec 2012 #31
Fantastic post Left Turn Only Dec 2012 #34
Hows that song go? Plucketeer Dec 2012 #33
It's all in t-bills. Republicans default on one single t-bill Warpy Dec 2012 #36
The SS Trust Fund could provide a written statement (like a bank statement) of borrowers and DhhD Dec 2012 #37
Bonds to China joetubes Dec 2012 #39
IOUs? paleotn Dec 2012 #41
What a creep. Quantess Dec 2012 #42
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