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highplainsdem

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33. Love that video of a Bulgarian choir! Thanks for posting that!
Mon Jun 6, 2022, 02:01 PM
Jun 2022

Very good point about music being reinvented as well as preserved, over time.

I love almost all music, if it's well done. I see it all as important human expression.

So I don't automatically view classical music as superior to all other music, though I know there's a tendency to do so.

And well-played guitar, played with feeling as well as skill, sounds as good to me as a full orchestra does.

Ocelot II had said that classical music is "exalting and inspiring" while popular music isn't. That popular music isn't "something special, that I should be grateful to the universe that it exists."

I can't agree with that. Partly because I don't thank the universe for music created by humans, though there's certainly a lot of natural music in the world that we can appreciate.

I admire musicians, but they're only human, and that includes the best classical composers -- some of whom would probably have created popular rather than orchestral music if they'd been born in modern times.

I love Beethoven's Ode To Joy, for instance. Have loved it from the first time I heard it.

But I do get the same feeling of exaltation from Tage Wie Diese, so I can completely understand Angela Merkel choosing THAT song to celebrate an election victory, even though the band had already warned all political parties not to use it, and she ended up having to apologize to Campino.

Video from German TV about that controversy, with a very brief clip of Merkel singing, and a statement from the band shown at about a minute in.



That statement from Die Toten Hosen (Google translation below, with a few corrections that I hope were correct) was a general statement directed to all political parties in August 2013, a month before Markel used the song and ended up apologizing.

We distance ourselves from the use of our music in election campaigns.

Lately we have been made aware several times that our song, "Days Like This One," is used again and again at various election campaign events, above all by CDU and SPD. Unfortunately, the legal situation is such that we cannot do anything about it.

We have never had a problem when our song brings joy to a wide variety of people, from the punk shed (??? - not sure of the exact translation here) to the Oktoberfest. But we feel it's indecent and incorrect that our music is played at political election campaign events. Here it is clearly abused and taken by people who are in no way close to us. The danger that people can get the idea that there is a connection between the band and the content promoted there makes us angry. It would have been a sign of decency in our eyes to ask us beforehand whether we have a problem with the use of our music on these evenings, and to respect it if we don't.

We wish everyone involved an exciting election.


Campino did throw his suport to Merkel four years later: https://infotel.ca/newsitem/eu-germany-merkel-rock-star/cp1262009600 .

But in 2013 she felt she had to apologize for using Die Toten Hosen's song:

https://www.dw.com/en/40-years-of-german-punk-rock-band-toten-hosen/a-61257232

The faux-pas made such waves that the newly re-elected Chancellor Angela Merkel personally apologized to Campino over the phone: "Dear Mr. Campino, I'm calling because we misappropriated your song on election night. Don't worry, it will not become the next CDU anthem. But that's such a nice song you've written there!"

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Bookmarking Bayard May 2022 #1
I haven't heard anything from them since '87. Harker May 2022 #2
Yes, they have. highplainsdem May 2022 #3
Btw, if you hadn't heard anything from them since '87, you missed their 1988 concept album highplainsdem May 2022 #4
Thank you very much. Harker May 2022 #5
You're welcome! And since you're a punk rock fan, you'll probably like this video of Joey Ramone highplainsdem May 2022 #7
What a treat. Harker May 2022 #8
Apropos of Campino speaking favorably of Television, and of the importance of Harker Jun 2022 #58
Great song! Easy to see why Campino mentioned them a few years later, highplainsdem Jun 2022 #60
They've also interviewed and criticized Angela Merkel, who had to apologize to them once. highplainsdem May 2022 #6
Wow that's a nice song, and I see what you mean about the U2 comparison FakeNoose May 2022 #9
The music video in the OP is a mix of scenes/crowds including highplainsdem May 2022 #10
Just found the article again where I'd seen the song's theme highplainsdem May 2022 #11
Thanks, this is very interesting FakeNoose May 2022 #15
Yeah, I can hear some U2 influence in there... electric_blue68 May 2022 #12
This might be Toten Hosen's most U2-influenced song, though I like a lot of their highplainsdem May 2022 #13
40 yrs? God bless em! 👍 electric_blue68 May 2022 #14
Campino has said in recent interviews that he doesn't think the band will still highplainsdem May 2022 #16
Another very impressive song from the same album as the song in the OP. highplainsdem May 2022 #17
Thanks this is a really nice song FakeNoose May 2022 #18
You're welcome! Wanted to share because this is an amazing song, and not at all what highplainsdem May 2022 #19
"Tage Wie Diese" isn't a song I'd've expected to sound so highplainsdem Jun 2022 #20
Found a bit more background, written in English for a change, on Die Toten Hosen highplainsdem Jun 2022 #21
"The Dead Pants"? Ocelot II Jun 2022 #22
LOL! It means "deadbeats," according to articles I've read. highplainsdem Jun 2022 #23
Must be a colloquialism, since "hosen" literally means trousers, Ocelot II Jun 2022 #24
Yes, I know "hosen" literally means trousers. Some of their fans refer to them simply as highplainsdem Jun 2022 #25
Did listen, didn't like; just not my taste - too noisy and screamy. Ocelot II Jun 2022 #26
Okay. Thanks for giving it a listen! I like classical music, too -- highplainsdem Jun 2022 #27
The problem that I have with rock and most other popular music Ocelot II Jun 2022 #28
We'll have to agree to disagree. Great classical music survived because it was written down. highplainsdem Jun 2022 #29
I have to agree. The best of all genres will survive, especially now. DFW Jun 2022 #31
Love that video of a Bulgarian choir! Thanks for posting that! highplainsdem Jun 2022 #33
For the record DFW Jun 2022 #34
An interesting name for a very loud rock band, then! Ocelot II Jun 2022 #36
They're a very interesting band. And one with a great sense of humor. highplainsdem Jun 2022 #38
I think the irony was intentional DFW Jun 2022 #41
Interesting how colloquialisms usually don't translate well, and Ocelot II Jun 2022 #39
They do make learning a language, not to mention translating, a lot highplainsdem Jun 2022 #40
tote hose is German slang for very boring, nothing happening Celerity Jun 2022 #45
I suppose dead pants is a pretty good euphemism for nothing happening. Ocelot II Jun 2022 #46
exactly Celerity Jun 2022 #47
Here are a couple of articles on it: highplainsdem Jun 2022 #48
'deadbeats' is an incorrect translation, the correct translation is boring, dead, nothing happening Celerity Jun 2022 #49
Fwiw, "dead beat" means too tired to move, and it had that meaning highplainsdem Jun 2022 #50
I had always assumed the name derived from the WWII era Harker Jun 2022 #57
That's a really interesting possibility, and one I'd never highplainsdem Jun 2022 #59
I have a few issues with the English translation which might help the lyrics make more sense DFW Jun 2022 #30
LOL! Thanks for the tips on the translation, and I had to laugh reading about how amused highplainsdem Jun 2022 #32
This being my adopted home town DFW Jun 2022 #35
No, that reply WASN'T longer than I wanted. I'd never call any other DUer long-winded highplainsdem Jun 2022 #37
Since Dusseldorf is your adopted home town, I thought you might like highplainsdem Jun 2022 #42
Die Toten Hosen are starting their 40th anniversary tour as the first band EVER to have 12 highplainsdem Jun 2022 #43
Die Toten Hosen (DTH) kicked off the stadium portion of their 40th anniversary tour last highplainsdem Jun 2022 #44
I've already said I wish Die Toten Hosen had recorded their songs in English, so they highplainsdem Jun 2022 #51
There's a recent documentary on the band, WITH ENGLISH SUBTITLES, uploaded to highplainsdem Jun 2022 #52
Thank you for this! Elessar Zappa Jun 2022 #53
You're very welcome! Hope you'll enjoy it. highplainsdem Jun 2022 #54
LOL! Some news on what Campino thinks of the band's name, and his own nickname. highplainsdem Jun 2022 #55
Die Toten Hosen made international news a couple of nights ago by interrupting their concert highplainsdem Jun 2022 #56
Found a review in English of DTH's most recent concert, in Munich on the 18th. highplainsdem Jun 2022 #61
You're correct in that I won't be at either concert DFW Jun 2022 #62
Good for them! And enjoy the babysitting! I'd love to hear what they think of the concert, highplainsdem Jun 2022 #63
It's after 11 in Dusseldorf, and one video from tonight's concert is already highplainsdem Jun 2022 #64
Last night, for the 2nd of their two 40th-anniversary-tour concerts in Dusseldorf, DTH shared highplainsdem Jun 2022 #65
This is a fun video, which Die Toten Hosen added to their YouTube channel just this highplainsdem Jun 2022 #66
The band uploaded another video to YouTube this morning, showing some concert highplainsdem Jul 2022 #67
Die Toten Hosen gave a concert in Leipzig last night, and a fan was close highplainsdem Jul 2022 #68
Another fun video from the band, uploaded to their YouTube channel yesterday, about highplainsdem Jul 2022 #69
DTH gave a concert in Hamburg last night, at a music festival at the Volkspark Stadion. highplainsdem Jul 2022 #70
Live in Stuttgart last night, with a really impressive performance of highplainsdem Jul 2022 #71
Another amusing video from the band, posted a few hours ago, showing their highplainsdem Jul 2022 #72
Still going really strong in Freiburg last night: highplainsdem Jul 2022 #73
A couple more videos, mostly backstage scenes, posted by the band about their tour. highplainsdem Jul 2022 #74
DTH are currently taking nearly a month-long break, after two months of touring, highplainsdem Aug 2022 #75
Another fun video from DTH, this one posted on their YouTube channel just minutes ago. This highplainsdem Aug 2022 #76
DTH's 40th anniversary tour resumed last night, at Berlin's Tempelhof airport, and highplainsdem Aug 2022 #77
Long article/interview on Campino's environmental activism and narrator role in a new documentary highplainsdem Sep 2022 #78
DTH ended their very successful 40th anniversary tour in Minden last highplainsdem Sep 2022 #79
I'd forgotten that Die Toten Hosen's 40th anniversary concerts would include a few in Argentina highplainsdem Oct 2022 #80
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