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Hermit-The-Prog

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137. Many series degrade by season 3
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 07:36 PM
Nov 2023

Advertisers don't want "new" and "creative"; they want the same stuff that sold soap and SUVs before. By the 3rd season, flocks of producers come in and adjust things to placate advertisers. This usually results in cliches and stereotypes and copy & paste plotlines. You can always count on one character developing an addiction to something, the love triangle, the newly introduced annoying family member, the surprising twist that's not a surprise at all, the annoying Christmas special with magic, the windfall that's gone before the end of the episode, etc. And of course there will come a time when someone has to do something incredibly stupid just to get to a scenario allowing adjustment to the story line or character set.

Sometimes a series will recover from this and sometimes not.

It seems to me that the best series are based on a book or books, just as the best movies are.

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The West Wing, elleng Nov 2023 #1
Agreed -- got it on dvd 'way back when. :) Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #3
If it hadn't been for the modifier 'complete', I would have agreed. Aristus Nov 2023 #135
Many series degrade by season 3 Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #137
+1000. (nt) Paladin Nov 2023 #95
MASH liberal N proud Nov 2023 #2
We used to watch that every evening -- pretty much have 'em memorized. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #4
#6 Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2023 #5
I don't know if I've ever seen that. Thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #6
The last Prisoner episode deeply disturbed me for days jpak Nov 2023 #51
My all-time favorite series. ificandream Nov 2023 #74
The Prisoner Patrick McGoohan's Masterpiece justaprogressive Nov 2023 #119
I go for the sophisticated ones.. Permanut Nov 2023 #7
I wouldn't be allowed back in the house after those. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #8
Roger that; I watch 'em in the garage. Permanut Nov 2023 #9
I talked her into watching The Beverly Hillbillies some time ago Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #12
Librarians madamesilverspurs Nov 2023 #10
We're about to finish season 4. Got a couple extra DVDs of something in the box. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #13
I love that series Clash City Rocker Nov 2023 #52
Leverage is a wonderful series. I love it and Leverage Redemption. yellowdogintexas Nov 2023 #103
Ah, been thinking of watching it. I really like Leverage so a plus. electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #161
There's a very short (two seasons, 32 eps) show from NBC in the mid-2000s RockRaven Nov 2023 #11
I'll check that out. Thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #14
Agreed -- really good! Damian Lewis and Adam Arkin are both wonderful. LauraInLA Nov 2023 #26
Life was a great show marigold20 Nov 2023 #44
Great show. Damien Lewis is a genius. Scrivener7 Nov 2023 #59
are you being served - every season/episode on youtube nt msongs Nov 2023 #15
We buy dvd boxed sets. Bandwidth is too low for streaming. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #16
Had the good fortune to meet John Inman. ificandream Nov 2023 #73
The Good Wife; a lawyers, relationships, and political drama. PufPuf23 Nov 2023 #17
I like that series. Have it all on dvd. :) Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #18
Truly gave your request my best shot but you already knew about The Good Wife. PufPuf23 Nov 2023 #19
Well, sticking with Star Trek-esque stuff TlalocW Nov 2023 #20
I'll look into those. Thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #21
I haven't finished it yet, but the first two seasons of Picard were great AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #55
Midsomer Murders LoisB Nov 2023 #22
Midsomer Murders is good, but there are a lot of British crime dramas Chainfire Nov 2023 #49
One of my favorites is Shetland. yardwork Nov 2023 #76
Shetland was good, and is rated higher than some of the others but not my favorite. Chainfire Nov 2023 #80
I'm with you catchnrelease Nov 2023 #131
Keeping up Appearances LoisB Nov 2023 #23
Oh, I get that on 2 different PBS broadcast stations each week. Hilarious! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #24
I think "Spartacus" was the best TV series EVER. Jeebo Nov 2023 #25
I'm about due, too, but have misplaced everything after Gods of the Arena. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #30
Jupiter's cock! I second this recommendation!! nt Shermann Nov 2023 #41
Parks and Recreation has a lot of great characters and quirky humor. LauraInLA Nov 2023 #27
Haven't seen that! Thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #31
original All Creatures Great and Small Tetrachloride Nov 2023 #28
Got it! Thank you! It's still a bit early for me to get the new version. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #32
Fringe... Lars39 Nov 2023 #29
I have "The Brothers Grimm" but it's a movie. Grimm a series? Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #33
Yes, there's a series! Lars39 Nov 2023 #65
Will check that, too. Thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #68
Warehouse 13 is very good, lots of fun. yellowdogintexas Nov 2023 #104
Eureka! Yes, that's a fun one! Lars39 Nov 2023 #113
I have been hooked on Grimm for awhile now Bayard Nov 2023 #61
Yes! And love the characters. Lars39 Nov 2023 #67
POI, and Fringe are two of my ultra favorites electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #109
They were both so well done. Lars39 Nov 2023 #114
Yeah, complex plots where you have to really pay attention. Like a mental, and visual puzzle since... electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #120
Heh, well said! Lars39 Nov 2023 #123
Ha. Great, complex, witty character. electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #162
Breaking Bad Emile Nov 2023 #34
Boston Legal is a great one for guest stars. A lot of old favorite actors show up like with all legal brewens Nov 2023 #36
Yes, we have that. Thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #37
I'll second "Breaking Bad." Jeebo Nov 2023 #122
The Sopranos. I've watched it all about three times. The Fargo season are good. n/t brewens Nov 2023 #35
Got 'em both and about wore the bits off of the discs. Thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #38
'Colombo' - especially Peter Falk as the Detective... Jrose Nov 2023 #39
I've watched many of the eps, but I love the one with Dick Van Dyke as the murderer. ificandream Nov 2023 #82
Haven't seen that one yet. Will look for it. Jrose Nov 2023 #92
Psych Harold Shea Nov 2023 #40
3 to check out. Thanks and welcome to DU! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #66
Firefly if..fish..had..wings Nov 2023 #42
My first thought was Firefly, but he/she asked for complete series. Ferrets are Cool Nov 2023 #46
I can't recommend Sarah Connor Chronicles Shermann Nov 2023 #60
I only have 3 out of your list Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #63
I was going to nominate "Firefly" Codifer Nov 2023 #98
12 Monkeys arrived -- had no idea she ordered it. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #146
Justified marigold20 Nov 2023 #43
Don't have Justified; have Longmire and The Americans. Thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #64
New Doctor Who Ferrets are Cool Nov 2023 #45
Seen the original, but not the new. Thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #69
Also david tennent years bedazzled Nov 2023 #100
Northern Exposure Mousetoescamper Nov 2023 #47
Have the whole thing; it broke some new ground. Thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #70
Maybe Rutherford Falls? AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #127
Have not seen that. Thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #130
Easy ... marble falls Nov 2023 #48
And you mentioned 2 that I don't have and will check out. Thank you! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #71
Bates Motel Shermann Nov 2023 #50
Brilliant show. FM123 Nov 2023 #106
Ted Lasso is amazing. MLAA Nov 2023 #53
I just finished the first season. Mr.Bill Nov 2023 #87
And it just gets better! MLAA Nov 2023 #94
It's keeping my interest, Mr.Bill Nov 2023 #97
I love Ted! catchnrelease Nov 2023 #133
I did the same....kept hearing about it and thought surely it's not that great. Got Apple TV and binged MLAA Nov 2023 #134
Reservation Dogs on Hulu AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #54
+1. rzemanfl Nov 2023 #153
Orphan Black. Midnight Writer Nov 2023 #56
That was a really interesting series. I'm sure I missed some of the context in the early Vinca Nov 2023 #84
Rita. Danish with subtitles. It's on Netflix. Raftergirl Nov 2023 #57
Foyle's War .... British tv set in WWII, wonderful production and actors NotHardly Nov 2023 #58
"The Fugitive" with David Janssen ificandream Nov 2023 #62
"The Fugitive" was indeed a great series. Jeebo Nov 2023 #124
Call the Midwives is one of my favorites. nt Phoenix61 Nov 2023 #72
"The Avengers" (not the Marvel stuff, but the John Steed UK series with Diana Rigg) ificandream Nov 2023 #75
The Americans! nt intheozone Nov 2023 #77
Six Feet Under. Nt intheozone Nov 2023 #78
Firefly JoseBalow Nov 2023 #79
One of my favorite sets of lines Starseer Nov 2023 #140
Penny Dreadful, The Fall, The Killing, Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries demmiblue Nov 2023 #81
Northern Exposure, The Good Place, West Wing, Mrs. Maisel waldnorm Nov 2023 #83
Where did you find Northern Exposure? 1WorldHope Nov 2023 #93
pbs.org, barnesandnoble, target, amazon, blazedvds Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #110
Merlin, Gotham, How to Get Away with Murder berniesandersmittens Nov 2023 #85
A few LakeArenal Nov 2023 #86
The TV series based on Bernard Cornwell's "Richard Sharpe" novels was excellent... thenelm1 Nov 2023 #164
The Larry Sanders Show. Mr.Bill Nov 2023 #88
The Office if you like comedy. Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #89
Happy Valley Not Heidi Nov 2023 #90
"Damages", a mini series from 20 years or so ago Walleye Nov 2023 #91
Wow! So many suggestions! I thought we'd seen about all the good ones. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #96
Mad Men blue neen Nov 2023 #99
I love Red Dwarf ... another Britcom bedazzled Nov 2023 #101
Brit-Box is a treasure chouchou Nov 2023 #102
The Leftovers, Watchmen, True Detective season 1 (it's a complete story) LudwigPastorius Nov 2023 #105
New Tricks Corner Gas Hill Street Blues yellowdogintexas Nov 2023 #107
Found out last night that Murdoch Mysteries has a 17th season. Lars39 Nov 2023 #144
It certainly did! I wish I could get it on a different streaming yellowdogintexas Nov 2023 #149
I did not see your mention of Murdoch and posted it below. rzemanfl Nov 2023 #156
The Expanse - can be found on Prime. Probatim Nov 2023 #108
Great series. I'm reading book 2 currently. Liberal In Texas Nov 2023 #112
For those I know who like realistic sci-fi, they find it to be a very good show. Probatim Nov 2023 #138
New Amsterdam is excellent GoneOffShore Nov 2023 #111
The Closer followed by Major Crimes. Liberal In Texas Nov 2023 #115
Loved The Closer. I was crushed when I found out I can't find Major Crimes yellowdogintexas Nov 2023 #142
The Wire -one of the best ever. flying rabbit Nov 2023 #116
I love the Murdoch Mysteries csziggy Nov 2023 #117
Foyle's War PBS and elsewhere now Historic NY Nov 2023 #118
Upstairs, Downstairs (1971-1975) NameAlreadyTaken Nov 2023 #121
Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister Axelrods_Typewriter Nov 2023 #125
I'm rewatching Burn Notice & like it even more the second time! CrispyQ Nov 2023 #126
Several British shows Ritabert Nov 2023 #128
Perry Mason Tarzanrock Nov 2023 #129
The Newsroom (Jeff Daniels version, with the greatest opening scene ever) and........ DFW Nov 2023 #132
St. Elsewhere Starseer Nov 2023 #136
Big Love happybird Nov 2023 #139
Walking Dead Schitts Creek Chakaconcarne Nov 2023 #141
She ordered Schitts Creek, wouldn't tell me; arrived today. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #145
WKRP in Cincinnati. Xavier Breath Nov 2023 #143
Louie CK is good Beringia Nov 2023 #147
Some comedy, 30 Rock, Sienfeld, Brooklyn 9-9, 3rd Rock from the sun, Frasier (first few seasons) Hotler Nov 2023 #148
Babylon 5 Angleae Nov 2023 #150
Yellowstone (great photography and story line). waterwatcher123 Nov 2023 #151
"Action" starring Jay Mohr lapfog_1 Nov 2023 #152
The Fall of the House of Usher on Netflix, I think. Ilsa Nov 2023 #154
The Murdoch Mysteries. rzemanfl Nov 2023 #155
Mr. Robot RandomNumbers Nov 2023 #157
White Locust Emile Nov 2023 #158
What We Do in the Shadows, Archer, Attack on Titan Kaleva Nov 2023 #159
Monk. I'll watch it anytime it's on even if I remember the outcome. Rhiannon12866 Nov 2023 #160
Thanks for the suggestions senseandsensibility Nov 2023 #163
If into sci-fi, the 2nd iteration of "Battlestar Galactica" and "Farscape" too. n/t thenelm1 Nov 2023 #165
You folks have cost me a bunch of money and I thank you for it! Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2023 #166
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