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luv_mykatz

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53. Silly me, I should have re-read all of the posts before posting my last reply.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:09 AM
Nov 2012

Thank you, Curmudgeoness. You are the person who posted the link which allowed me to watch the documentary online.

And, you are the person who started the thread. I saw information which told me that the Dust Bowl doc would be broadcast on PBS, but I don't have a t.v., so I did not think I would get to watch it. Thanks to you, I did get to watch it.

Very powerful stuff. There was a segment on the irrigation in which someone commented that the same mistakes were being made, in the same place all over again. They were referring to people not respecting that the Plains is dry land, and NOT meant for farming. "Wrong side up" is what the cattle herders said, when the sod was plowed up, removing the deep-rooted buffalo grass, and replacing that sod with wheat.

Basically, the immigrants tried to impose a form of agriculture on the Plains which wasn't suited to the amount of available rainfall, bouts of severe weather, and drought which the Plains are subject to. The kind of agriculture they tried to impose is better suited to Western Europe, which has much more rainfall than the Plains.

The Plains environment was North America's savannah, with huge roaming herds of antelope, deer, and buffalo. Most of the stuff I've read said that the Plains was able to be stable environmentally precisely because none of it was fenced, and both the animal herds and the people who lived there moved around, instead of staying in one place.

What is scary, is that tapping the water in the Oglalla aquifer made it possible to impose a kind of farming which is not suited to the Plains' environmental realities for the long term. What will happen to all those folks when they run out of water?

One of the points made by the documentary was that the Dust Bowl could happen again. Maybe not as bad, because of the improvements of farming techniques, but still, when the water in the aquifer is gone, what then? That is fossil water and can't be replaced within our lifetimes, or for many lifetimes.
I am tempted to paraphrase Aldo Leopold, who pointed out that is does no good to make improvements in the pump when the problem is that the well (read: resources) is going dry.

Still, I am extremely glad that Ken Burns made this documentary, and I hope as many people as possible see it, and talk it up with their friends. We need to have lots of thoughtful discussion about climate change, and the possible social problems and dislocations it could cause.

I also kept wondering what the local Native Tribes would have said, if they could've been interviewed for the doc? Perhaps 're-wilding' the Plains is not such a far fetched idea after all. But it would have to be done in a way that would truly support the folks who live there now.

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I watched it. texanwitch Nov 2012 #1
Right now, they are dealing with the CCC and WPA. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #4
My father said they planted millions of trees and helped on farms. texanwitch Nov 2012 #5
I wondered if those trees survived Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #6
I hope so. texanwitch Nov 2012 #7
This series talks about all this. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #12
Smart move, pay to make people change. texanwitch Nov 2012 #16
And at the end of this documentary Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #21
My dad grew up on a farm in North central TX ashling Nov 2012 #36
But, the parallels to some of today's issues were so strong it's hard to imagine we won't. In fact, Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #24
And did you notice they started to pay farmers not to grow crops? Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #38
I think Burns was saying that the extreme lack of rain during the 30's was a mini climate change Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #47
I'll have to catch the repeat sometime derby378 Nov 2012 #2
They are repeating some episodes tonight. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #3
It was pretty good, but ashling Nov 2012 #45
Watching now. GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #8
Well, it is done wonderfully Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #10
True. GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #14
This year's extended drought may be an ominous foreboding Zorro Nov 2012 #9
I absolutely hope not. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #11
Since those days, Oklahoma has built over 200 lakes. The water I use every day comes from one. CBGLuthier Nov 2012 #32
I do hope that there is nothing like this again. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #39
'Everyone's' watching, watched first half yesterday, 2d half tonight. elleng Nov 2012 #13
I don't know about "everyone", since Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #15
Its profoundly moving and upsetting. elleng Nov 2012 #17
Ah, yes, everyone at DU Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #18
Not everyone. I was dying to watch this but PBS doesn't stream snappyturtle Nov 2012 #27
I don't know if this will work Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #40
Thank you for trying to help. If I had money I would have cable or satellite so..... snappyturtle Nov 2012 #46
I just watch the whole first episode at that link, it wasn't a teaser. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #50
I haven't tried today! Thanks....I tried on the premier dates so...??? nt snappyturtle Nov 2012 #51
It definitely shows how strong and determined people can be. KatyaR Nov 2012 #19
It sure was hard to watch. texanwitch Nov 2012 #20
Oh, I could not imagine how difficult it would have been Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #22
we watched it here nutsnberries Nov 2012 #23
Yes, I watched it. It was excellent. AngryOldDem Nov 2012 #25
And these were proud people who worked hard Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #41
I don't have a t.v., so can't watch the documentary. luv_mykatz Nov 2012 #26
Big rec for "Worst Hard Time" -- if you've read it, you don't much need to see the film. eppur_se_muova Nov 2012 #29
I can be watched online. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #42
That is what the one gentleman was saying--20 years. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #49
This is probably one of the better documentaries out there, IMO... cynatnite Nov 2012 #28
Beautifully done program SteveG Nov 2012 #30
Yes One of the best documentaries on the subject I have seen. GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #31
And the Dust Bowl still has repercussions... kurtzapril4 Nov 2012 #33
That IS comedy gold! Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #43
Yeah, just ask Elizabeth Warren. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2012 #44
If you're a RWer you don't have to choose! Logic be damned! Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #48
Yes. Amazing. The one,,, benld74 Nov 2012 #34
Growing up in California in the 60s Mr.Bill Nov 2012 #35
Caught part of it yesterday; would really like to see all of it Flaxbee Nov 2012 #37
I got to watch it after all. luv_mykatz Nov 2012 #52
Silly me, I should have re-read all of the posts before posting my last reply. luv_mykatz Nov 2012 #53
I was glad to find the link and share it. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #55
I have it taped on my DVR ready to watch sometime this long weekend.. Little Star Nov 2012 #54
This one will tear your heart out. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #56
I can't wait to see it but I have to wait until my daughter.... Little Star Nov 2012 #57
I will be good to have someone to discuss it with Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #58
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