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struggle4progress

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34. I used to throw I Ching forty or more years ago. I finally decided
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:54 AM
Mar 2013

it was only a way to shake up my thinking about questions: I'd get some "answer" that forced me to try to look at whatever I was wondering about in some way different from whatever way I had been looking at it, which I supposed could be helpful if I didn't take the "answer" too seriously as a definite "answer." Then I put the I Ching down and never went back to it as divination, though from time to time, I've picked up my copy to wonder about how various ideas in it are connected

How do I interpret my stichomancy reading?
we were obliged to double our pace, and were so happy as to pass it without meeting with any misfortune, except that we heard a bird sing on our left hand -- a certain presage among these people of some great calamity at hand. As there is no reasoning them out of superstition, I knew no way of encouraging them to go forward but what I had already made use of on the same occasion, assuring them that I heard one at the same time on the right. They were happily so credulous as to take my word, and we went on till we came to a well, where we stayed awhile to refresh ourselves. Setting out again in the evening, we passed so near a village where these robbers had retreated that the dogs barked after us

How amazing! I see that this seems to be telling me what I'm already inclined to believe. Hmm. Come to think of it, much of what happens to me simply confirms my prior beliefs to me. I suppose that could be because my beliefs are so brilliantly and cleverly in accord with reality, that there just isn't much more for me to learn. Or maybe it's sarcastic: it could be telling me that I'm a pig-headed nitwit who is unable to accept any beliefs except those I already hold. I often dislike sarcasm, so if it's saying that, I don't particularly want to hear it. Hmm. If this little snippet of Lobo's Voyage to Abyssinia is helpful, maybe I should read the whole book. On the other hand, I don't think that's a particularly well-written passage, and I generally don't read stuff I don't consider well-written -- unless there's something definite to gain from the reading: I'll sometimes read badly math papers because I enjoy the math. But Lobo seems to have a superior nasty streak: he thinks some people are simply superstitious and credulous, and he's happy to manipulate them. Hmm. Maybe I have a superior nasty streak. But I don't manipulate people, and I don't call people names like superstitious or credulous -- though I'm certainly not above ribbing them, gently I think, though they may not always think my ribbing is gentle. No, I don't think I'll read Lobo's book: I've got books stacked around even room in my house, partially read; every paragraph I read in a really good book produces cascades of possibilities and doubts in my own mind: but from this one paragraph, I suspect that in reading Lobo's book I should simply wonder constantly why he wrote such dreadful dreck. Hmm. Stichomancy. Why shouldn't I just read a good book and see what I learn from it, instead of reading a "random" snippet? Of course, it's not really "random," since it's computed by a deterministic algorithm. I once had long arguments with a few people about what "random" actually means: I think Kolmogorov was right to indicate that the notionis best explained by computational complexity theory, and that "random" is just a catch-all phrase for stuff that's somehow too complicated for us to compute -- but that's just my opinion, and many people really dislike that idea. Ah, well. Another fifteen minutes wasted posting on DU



I think it becomes clearer if you break it up: cliffordu Mar 2013 #1
Share your ideas!!! Please! Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #2
OK an attempt Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #3
What is the goal? In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #29
Or could it be death? And acceptance into Heaven? Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #31
I don't get death out of it. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #32
it is about a mother's love for her son Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #4
You might be right. I suck at poetry. It was just a response to a question about a male Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #5
well a mother/son relationship IS a female/male relationship. -- Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #6
I think I can. Yes the one person only wants the other one to be happy and successful Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #8
happy to help ... Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #9
Aw thanks. Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #14
I believe you are exactly right. cliffordu Mar 2013 #7
is that what you took away from it, too? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #10
At first I thought it was about a mature woman and a very young man.... cliffordu Mar 2013 #17
yes, the son was the fruit of her need for her man ... Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #18
I haven't tossed the Ching for almost 40 years. cliffordu Mar 2013 #19
thing about it is Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #20
That's the point. Dig deeper and deeper and deeper..... cliffordu Mar 2013 #21
you know what they say about digging ... Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #22
There is a hexagram that tells you to stop asking questions. Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #23
Thank you too cliffordu! Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #12
It's from a different poem in the same book. Chan790 Mar 2013 #24
Yes, I think so. elleng Mar 2013 #11
thanks, elleng ... been a while for me as well --- Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #13
Me too, can't wait. elleng Mar 2013 #15
gosh ... Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #16
This is really spooky TrogL Mar 2013 #25
You know you might be right! She feels like she is unqualified because of her Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #28
She doesn't care about his aches and indignities TrogL Mar 2013 #37
From what I read about him he had an unhappy childhood. But I think it was his father Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #38
OK, I'll give it a try: struggle4progress Mar 2013 #26
Oh well then THAT must be it! Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #27
I used to throw I Ching forty or more years ago. I finally decided struggle4progress Mar 2013 #34
Or you could just take that one sentence as your answer. It is telling you that you believe in Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #40
My experience on the site...left me puzzled. antiquie Mar 2013 #30
Well you are supposed to ask it a question. Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #33
Will I prosper? antiquie Mar 2013 #36
I have found it is better to ask more specific questions. Although you may get a non-specific Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #39
She sees the great potential in another, not the actuality lunatica Mar 2013 #35
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