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Smarmie Doofus

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29. Interesting. I always thought it was a working class thing and especially male.
Thu May 9, 2013, 07:56 PM
May 2013

If you watch the original Honeymooners episodes ( 1955-ish) Ralph NEVER calls Ed Norton "Ed"; *never*. He exclusively calls him "Norton." I always thought of this as a sort of put down. That it was Ralph's way of asserting dominance in the relationship ... even though Ed is by far his best friend in the world.

Similarly... lowly privates in the army are... or used to be... addressed by their drill instructor by last names only... minus of course the honorific or rank. In other words never Private Jones, Private Smith.... always "Jones", "Smith". The idea was to promote intimidation and establish dominance and hierarchy.

For this reason I never called my friends by their last names, except tongue in cheek. Now, in the working world there's a different protocol that prevails. One calls a close coworker ( a peer) by their first name.; last name w. honorific if not so close. Now when talking about someone at the workplace ... TO someone else at the workplace ... it is /was quite common to refer to the absent person by the last name only. This did not necessarily imply any dislike or disrespect.

In fact... in context it could signify the opposite. If you were told to send something up to , say, "Liebowitz", that meant Liebowitz , male or female, was known by all, did not have to be further identified and was a *fixture*. In other words, had gravitas.

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I call my friends by their first names all the time. And I did back in the 90's, too. Aristus May 2013 #1
not saying anyone had a problem with calling them by their first names charlie and algernon May 2013 #2
I got into an argument with a chief once sarge43 May 2013 #6
Odd, I thought that was more of an Asian thing Xyzse May 2013 #3
A 90's thing? RevStPatrick May 2013 #4
We did that in the '70s as well Art_from_Ark May 2013 #31
Only a few. geardaddy May 2013 #5
The onliest person to ever refer to me by my first, middle AND last names was (occasionally)... MiddleFingerMom May 2013 #7
I can tell you it goes back way before the 90's; but my friends and me never did. Populist_Prole May 2013 #8
Not friends, but co-workers. femmocrat May 2013 #9
Everyone calls me a variation of my last name bigwillq May 2013 #10
No one has ever been able to pronounce my last name graywarrior May 2013 #11
I got that too, as a kid. And it's only 6 letters! nomorenomore08 May 2013 #15
Ha! graywarrior May 2013 #19
So I assume you're some variety of Eastern European... nomorenomore08 May 2013 #20
Polish graywarrior May 2013 #21
Well I assume my name is "Americanized" - i.e. they chopped off the last several letters. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #23
I always know I'm next in the doctor's office graywarrior May 2013 #24
Gurzskyvitch? Is that you? trof May 2013 #25
NO! graywarrior May 2013 #26
I never called people by their last names olddots May 2013 #12
Situationally, some friends by last name, others always the first Spike89 May 2013 #13
Most people use both of mine... Callmecrazy May 2013 #14
Yo, Algernon! 'Sup? KamaAina May 2013 #16
Our group WAY back in high school called each other by our dad's 1st name or nickname benld74 May 2013 #17
Almost everyone always call me by my last name warrior1 May 2013 #18
That is odd truegrit44 May 2013 #35
My old friends from the military Recursion May 2013 #22
Only when there is more than one Jeff R May 2013 #27
At a law firm I worked at HeiressofBickworth May 2013 #28
Interesting. I always thought it was a working class thing and especially male. Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #29
At school we did. Turbineguy May 2013 #30
I have a friend in Taiwan AsahinaKimi May 2013 #32
Is this post just for people that still have friends, or can anybody play ashling May 2013 #33
Stifler by his "American Pie" buddies. n/t RiffRandell May 2013 #34
I have been calling my group of close friends by their last names since the 70s dr.strangelove May 2013 #36
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