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A HERETIC I AM

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211. Since it's been almost a day since I responded to your post above, I'm going to do this here.
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 11:54 AM
Feb 2014

There is a very good reason so many jumped down your throat. That reason is because what you said - what you took issue with - is NOT an issue. You just happened to have an opinion, clearly not shared by too many others, that is quite frankly, silly.

Now I understand everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some are better kept closer to the chest, so to speak.

While Bob (SalmonChantedEvening - he has stated his real name on a thread in the lounge in the past, so I know he won't mind) and I have never met in person, I consider him a friend in real life. He and I are friends on Facebook and I can tell you with absolutely no reservation in the least, that this man has just about the biggest heart of anyone I have ever come across in my life and I am honored that he has included me in his group of friends on that Social Media website. He consistently displays an overwhelming affection for animals of all types and that, coupled with his wonderful sense of humor, his great wit and his compassion for progressive ideals make for many, MANY laughs that I am graced by on a regular basis.

I have been a regular reader of his weekly threads for just about as long as he has been putting them up and they are without a doubt among the, if not the most popular regular contributions to Democratic Underground. His threads regularly garner well over 5000 views, some exceeding 7000. For anyone that regularly posts on DU, to get 5000 views every time you hit the "Post My Thread!" button is enviable.

To illustrate this, here is the page showing his recent threads, but because of DU's software, this only shows them back to January 5th. All of them exceeded 4300 views with the top being 6703. Scroll down and you'll see the 7 threads still active in the lounge;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1018&page=26&sort=author

But he deserves it. I don't know if you have ever put up a thread with 20 or more pictures in it and included comments, but I have and I am telling you, it is a painstaking process that is just not done in 5 minutes. It's a lot of work and I for one thank him for his craft as much as his research and sense of humor.

But I digress.

You mentioned in one of your responses to those jumping down your throat that you are in your 70's. So I want to apologize for my tone in my response. I tend to consider most DU'ers as similar in age to me (I'll be 55 in May) so I beg your pardon ma'am for my terse reply.

But I meant it. These are pictures of cats and dogs, for crying out loud! You said, and I quote directly;

With the advent of the digital camera, many of the shots you are lately showing are obviously staged and posed. Sometimes demeaning to the "pet."


and in a subsequent post you said;

Candid shots are always the best AND some set up pics go far beyond pet (or animal companion) dignity. I'll stand by this , even though my daughter once put a tablecloth on her pony and went out trick or treating dressed as a chef. Hah! But I didn't take a picture. (Only of her as a chef; spared the pony's dignity).


Really? Seriously? "Demeaning"? "Dignity"? Come on, madam. Honestly. You're in your 70's for Christs sake! Do you actually think a cat and a dog or a pony for that matter give two farts and a dead bird about their "Dignity"? Much less have any concept of the process of losing it and therefore become demeaned?

I've been around animals all my life, and with the exception of the last 9 1/2 years since I put down my last dog, we have had pets in our family since I was an infant. I've been around horses, cats, dogs and numerous exotics. I never, not once, EVER could recall a time when I thought "That animal has dignity."

Pride? Sure. Lots of animals seem to be prideful. My late Boston Terrier very often exhibited what could be called pride at doing all sorts of things, like finding the perfect stick for me to throw, or tearing a cardboard box to precisely evenly sized little shreds. But dignified? Sorry, but a hearty Laughing My Ass Off is due here.

Here's a video of a lion, an animal most people certainly might think of as prideful, proving the point that he has absolutely no dignity in the least possible measure;


Yes, he just rolled in a pile of Rhino dung.

Cats and dogs and even ponies do that sort of thing all the time.

And yet you felt it was necessary to chastise Bob on his selection of photos.

The idea of dignity is purely a human one. We might give it to animals, but I assure you, and I am willing to bet most animal behaviorists will agree, the concept is totally beyond them, with the possible exception of certain species of whales.

That you find it a "troubling trend" is also one of the reasons I think you took 3 colors of crap for your comments.

No, it isn't. Not in the least is it a "troubling trend". Want to know how I know this? Because I have been a member of this board for 11 and a half years and I can tell you with complete confidence that if Bob's weekly threads included a troubling trend of any kind, many DU'ers would let him have it with both barrels.

Look...it's the internet. People take funny pictures of dogs and cats. Sometimes they dress them up. Why? Because a cat or a dog wearing a hat or a coat or sunglasses or a scarf or shoes is funny, that's why.
Case in point, the late, great Mr Beau Brummel;



This one isn't so much as funny, but damned handsome!

Not one ounce of dignity lost, I assure you.

You know what else would make a funny picture for Bob to use? A pony wearing a tablecloth.

If you don't think pics like that are funny, then you probably shouldn't open any more of his Sunday threads, because I for one, am going to be sending him animals wearing clothes pics every chance I get from now on.

You repeatedly stated that you were merely giving a "simple opinion" and that it was a "simple remark"

Sorry, but it isn't that simple. You are taking to task the author of what has become a DU institution for something that is completely innocuous. The fact that Bob includes the "staged and posed" shots are in large part what makes his thread so enjoyable. The pics ARE FUNNY! And the popularity of his threads are witness to that.

We all have our moments. I certainly have had a few in my decade plus posting here. But sometimes the prudent thing to do is back up, take a breath, have another look at what we wrote and consider whether or not it was really worth it, necessary or appropriate.

And then do the right thing.

Regards,

Paul








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:-) meegbear Feb 2014 #1
Happy Sunday, meegbear! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #4
You Too SCE .. meegbear Feb 2014 #61
Thank you so much for these! JusticeForAll Feb 2014 #2
My pleasure, JusticeForAll! You do the same! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #5
cute as always NewJeffCT Feb 2014 #3
So glad you enjoyed them, NewJeffCT! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #7
stoopid tablit blogslut Feb 2014 #6
Ai kin git u teh Elmerrz Glu! It nebber fales to payst aneefings. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #8
getting in on this one early fizzgig Feb 2014 #9
Give it a shot, fizzgig. I recommend several naps. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #12
whippet.....whippet good grilled onions Feb 2014 #10
You're very welcome, grilled onions. Will a flower pot do in lieu of a hat? ;) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #13
What a happy surprise to wake up and realize it is Sunday and SCE's LOL Cats day!!! meti57b Feb 2014 #11
You're more than welcome, meti57b! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #15
Those are super, Salmon! loudsue Feb 2014 #14
A pleasure as always, loudsue! *clop clop clop* :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #16
You had me at "that's a moray"!!! dixiegrrrrl Feb 2014 #17
Good morning, dixiegrrrrl! Puns'R'Me :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #21
Happy Sunday SCE, Garfield approves and Thank You for the Smiles you bring! Crewleader Feb 2014 #18
Happy Sunday, Crewleader! Love the dancing Garfield! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #22
What a great collection, SCE! mnhtnbb Feb 2014 #19
You're welcome, mnhtnbb! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #23
Are those horses smiling? Jamastiene Feb 2014 #20
I hope so, Jamastiene! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #24
wonderful collection, SCE NJCher Feb 2014 #25
Thank you, NJCher! Disguise Kitteh is my favorite of the bunch. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #28
Ain't it the truth--cats are nature's furry answer to angst! Surya Gayatri Feb 2014 #26
Puppies have the same efect, and good thing they do, Surya Gayatri. ;) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #29
Bob, you've turned Sunday into a small celebration for this community. Bertha Venation Feb 2014 #27
Thanks, Bertha. I'm so glad the pics do what they do for people. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #31
I have some great resources. Bertha Venation Feb 2014 #58
Thanks again SalmonChantedEvening, another good job. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2014 #30
My happy pleasure, A Simple Game! Have a fantastic Sunday! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #32
"That's a Moray" zeemike Feb 2014 #33
You're very welcome, zeemike! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #36
My cousin's daughters say Thank You. Thor_MN Feb 2014 #34
They are very welcome, ThorMN! Thank you for sharing with them! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #37
awesome as always. :D littlewolf Feb 2014 #35
My pleasure, littlewolf! Happy Sunday! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #38
could also be called the "less internet in the Grove this week"edition Patiod Feb 2014 #39
PECO came, saw, and delivered, Patiod! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #43
Whoa, what is that grey ball of fluff??? a la izquierda Feb 2014 #40
My happy pleasure, a la izquierda! I wish I knew the breed. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #44
Chow Chow puppy!! nt blaze Feb 2014 #49
Thank you, blaze! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #50
My pleasure!! blaze Feb 2014 #51
awwwww Lefta Dissenter Feb 2014 #199
Good morning SCE gademocrat7 Feb 2014 #41
Good morning, gademocrat7! You do the same! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #45
The Paradise Tanager - New Orleans Strong Feb 2014 #42
You're welcome, New Orleans Strong! Have a wonderful Sunday! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #47
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2014 #46
Thanks, DeSwiss! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #48
I can't spot the creep NJCher Feb 2014 #62
Look at the eyes over the left shoulder of the girl on our right. nt tblue37 Feb 2014 #124
Oh! Lucinda Feb 2014 #191
Bwah! A moray. Whippet good. Ministry of silly walks (my favorite Monty Python bit). nt valerief Feb 2014 #52
Happy Sunday, valerief! I love that skit! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #54
Oh, and Oh, and then, Oh, that one EverHopeful Feb 2014 #53
Share all you wish to, EverHopeful! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #56
re:Anthem for our Kitty Kat Overlords... allan01 Feb 2014 #55
Thanks, allan01! Happy Sunday! Love the video! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #57
10.0…. MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #59
Now all I need is a national anthem for the medal ceremony. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #76
I suggest "The Doggie in the Window" Jim Lane Feb 2014 #185
You're welcome, Jim Lane! I'll just go in den casual. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #187
I forgot you'd need a flag, too. Good choice! (n/t) Jim Lane Feb 2014 #188
It has become a ritual.... CherokeeDem Feb 2014 #60
Thanks, CherokeeDem!, you do the same! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #80
rituals.... yellowdogintexas Feb 2014 #204
A very good thing.... CherokeeDem Feb 2014 #205
what a fun thing to bring you together...love, laughter and awwwww! passiveporcupine Feb 2014 #222
This is so sweet. My best to your hubby the next time you talk. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #224
The Ministry of Silly Walks... zanana1 Feb 2014 #63
My only ministry, zanana1. ;) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #83
Stick your hand in a crack tavernier Feb 2014 #64
I hope that smile lasts the whole week, tavernier! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #84
One thought re: SalmonChantedEvening: maddiemom Feb 2014 #65
Always look forward to your pictures. I love them! Just have noticed a troubling trend. maddiemom Feb 2014 #67
and you just couldn't keep it to yourself? RetroLounge Feb 2014 #98
Just chill. You aren't addressing my point, but OK, I've never had so many negative maddiemom Feb 2014 #147
Doubling down when you do something dumb is always a good idea RetroLounge Feb 2014 #173
I agree graywarrior Feb 2014 #135
Good One! Does'nt address my point, but great reply. maddiemom Feb 2014 #146
I shoulda added graywarrior Feb 2014 #155
I bet you're fun at parties BellaLuna Feb 2014 #96
Well I used to be, but not anymore (pushing seventy). I still maintain our animal maddiemom Feb 2014 #145
Dignity? RetroLounge Feb 2014 #174
I think animals laugh at themselves passiveporcupine Feb 2014 #182
Thank you for a truly sane response. I am still reeling from the negative, sometimes maddiemom Feb 2014 #192
I'm not sure you read my post correctly passiveporcupine Feb 2014 #195
Staged and posed? CreekDog Feb 2014 #104
Good point! I think we're thinking on different levels, but you're right: got me there. maddiemom Feb 2014 #144
there are 162 recommends to this post CreekDog Feb 2014 #154
Stranger and stranger reactions to my simple remark. Actually my daughter does a website for a loca maddiemom Feb 2014 #167
Stop your blessed whining! donheld Feb 2014 #121
Jeez, I'm going crazy with the negative reactions to one simple remark. Our animal friends prove pl maddiemom Feb 2014 #143
You know what's a troubling trend? A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #125
Wow, I sure pushed the wrong button with an innocent opinion that has no real importance to anyone. maddiemom Feb 2014 #141
Excellent reply! Feral Child Feb 2014 #213
Maybe I have a tiny brain FloridaJudy Feb 2014 #136
Wow! I stand chastised! One of the greatest worries that I guess I SHOULD have had maddiemom Feb 2014 #138
P.S. Your photo shows a sense of humor incompatible with your reply...so I'm brain dead on a Sunday maddiemom Feb 2014 #140
"so I'm brain dead" RetroLounge Feb 2014 #175
OUCH! Very glad I don't know you in real life. Don't let up with your lack of humour maddiemom Feb 2014 #194
Maybe you should go back and see that your whining little comment was not necessary in any way. RetroLounge Feb 2014 #196
So glad you're cat didn't blow his own little brains out.... bettyellen Feb 2014 #163
As I replied elsewhere: if "Max" grew opposable thumbs, found the ammo maddiemom Feb 2014 #171
Between Sparta Maynar Feb 2014 #66
Let's call it a tie, Maynar. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #85
Yaaay! Dial for smiles!! Sweet warm hearts on a cold Feb. day!! Thanks again Sal!! <3 hue Feb 2014 #68
You're very welcome, hue! Stay warm out there! :D SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #86
Hi SalmonChantedEvening, Here's my LOL Kittehs & Kitteh gifs additions to your Thread ralps Feb 2014 #69
. kiva Feb 2014 #77
Hi kiva! Thanks ralps Feb 2014 #87
Hi ralps! Happy Sunday and thank you! Bad mousie stealers! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #88
Thanks SalmonChantedEvening, & Crook says Hi to Crystal & Have a great week! ralps Feb 2014 #95
Someone needs to give that baby more food! nt tblue37 Feb 2014 #126
Hi tblue37, Yes someone does! ralps Feb 2014 #178
love "catnip" NJCher Feb 2014 #133
Hi NJChere, Thanks! ralps Feb 2014 #179
The cat at the sewing machine photo is staged and posed CreekDog Feb 2014 #156
Hi CreekDog, Sorry I can't do anything about that kitteh! ralps Feb 2014 #180
Hedgehog cuteness! riqster Feb 2014 #70
You're welcome, riqster! Happy Sunday! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #90
The bird from 300 is hilarious! TxDemChem Feb 2014 #71
Bird feeder iz MINE! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #91
Happy Sunday to you too! TxDemChem Feb 2014 #193
A Pun & a hedgehog! hedgehog Feb 2014 #72
It is indeed, hedgehog! Happy Sunday! :D SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #92
When a Japanese Knight FloridaJudy Feb 2014 #73
Bwahaha! Brilliant! Thank you, Judy! <3 SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #93
omg Maynar Feb 2014 #172
Faves: nuxvomica Feb 2014 #74
Happy Sunday, nux! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #100
Happy Sunday, SCE! kiva Feb 2014 #75
Happy Sunday, Kiva! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #101
Adorable as always. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #78
Thanks, hrmjustin! Have a great Sunday and week! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #102
good morning, sce. once again, you have outdone yourself, as it is not possble niyad Feb 2014 #79
Good morning, niyad! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #103
Thank you as always, SCE! MarianJack Feb 2014 #81
You're very welcome, MarianJack! I sure hope it gets published! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #109
KnR for the Kittehs !! alittlelark Feb 2014 #82
Thank you, alittlelark! Happy Sunday! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #110
Love them as always. QED Feb 2014 #89
Thanks, QED! Have a wonderful Sunday! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #111
Aw, my dear SalmonChantedEvening... CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2014 #94
Hi Peggy! Happy Sunday! You're very welcome! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #112
Loving the Kitteth who doesn't like Cheetos. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #97
You're welcome, GrannyM! It's my mantra. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #113
"I came. I saw. I complained." RetroLounge Feb 2014 #99
No comment, your honor. SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #114
It's like you have it on speed dial... RetroLounge Feb 2014 #176
Nice tie, your honor. SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #184
Whippet. Whippet Good. progressoid Feb 2014 #105
A 10.0 and the internets? WOO HOO! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #115
Thanks for the great pics! mdbl Feb 2014 #106
My happy pleasure, mdbl! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #117
Thank you! Stargazer09 Feb 2014 #107
A pleasure as always, Stargazer09! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #118
Sunday LOLcats is my favorite part of DU. R. P. McMurphy Feb 2014 #108
A pleasure as always, R.P. McMurphy! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #120
Love them all! CrispyQ Feb 2014 #116
You're more than welcome, CrispyQ! It's a wee baby skunk. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #122
Kline? anasv Feb 2014 #119
A common name among law firms. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #123
More common than Dewey, Cheatham and Howe? eridani Feb 2014 #150
Soitinlee not! Woob woob woob woob! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #151
baby white lion! catrose Feb 2014 #127
My happy pleasure, catrose! Eight? Awesome! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #149
Whippet Good, Silly Walks, Cheetos! Another Maserpeice, Salmon! OrwellwasRight Feb 2014 #128
Thanks, OrwellwasRight! Happy Sunday! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #153
Whippet! Curmudgeoness Feb 2014 #129
Thanks so much, Curmudgeoness! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #157
Thanks For Starting My Day Out With A Smile, Salmon !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #130
WillyT! A pleasure as always, my friend! Happy Sunday! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #158
THANK YOU SALMON trueblue2007 Feb 2014 #131
You're very welcome, trueblue2007! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #159
AWESOME Collection! SOteric Feb 2014 #132
My pleasure, SOteric! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #161
Spring arrives this week. Kingofalldems Feb 2014 #134
Best of luck to your Nats, Crewleader! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #162
The beautiful colors on that puffed-up bird! Lifelong Protester Feb 2014 #137
It just started snowing here. Again. Blech. ;) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #164
SCE: Joy Creator Jakes Progress Feb 2014 #139
Hopefully less mythological, Jakes Progress. ;) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #165
Squee! :) shenmue Feb 2014 #142
You're very welcome, shenmue! Have a fantastic Sunday evening and week! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #166
I'd like to see the outcome with the cat in the drawer with the Q tips. Liberalynn Feb 2014 #148
Always a joy, Liberalynn! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #168
Too delicious! calimary Feb 2014 #152
I'm rooting for instinct and the ability to fly away, calimary. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #169
I dare you to get the Qtip treestar Feb 2014 #160
You're very welcome, treestar! I think I'll pass. SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #170
Hi, SCE! Brigid Feb 2014 #177
Hi, Brigid! Happy Sunday! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #181
Oh wow again passiveporcupine Feb 2014 #183
My happy pleasure, passiveporcupine! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #186
So that's how turtles sleep! red dog 1 Feb 2014 #189
Thank you so much, red dog 1. ::) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #190
Cheetos. Heehee 840high Feb 2014 #197
Happy Sunday, 840high! Have a wonderful evening and week! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #201
As evidenced by my rather paltry... 3catwoman3 Feb 2014 #198
Thank you for the kind words, 3catwoman3! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #202
Thank you for the laughs & the awwwwwwww's, SCE! catbyte Feb 2014 #200
My pleasure, catbyte! Have a wonderful Sunday night and week! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #203
Babies. murielm99 Feb 2014 #206
You're very welcome, murielm99!! Love me some wee critters. :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #216
What this is missing... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #207
Thanks, for those, Spitfire of ATJ! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #217
Ohhhh, the critters this week Iwillnevergiveup Feb 2014 #208
You're welcome, Iwillnevergiveup! SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #219
Every one of these pics were great and NONE (with the possible exception of the flowerpot-or - maddiemom Feb 2014 #209
Since it's been almost a day since I responded to your post above, I'm going to do this here. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #211
Actually I'm in my late sixties, which I consider "pushing seventy." I too have been around animals maddiemom Feb 2014 #212
I see the point you are TRYING to make. (edited) A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #215
No winning for me here, so I'll stop, as I should have done long ago. Rolling around in feces maddiemom Feb 2014 #218
My last entry; A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #223
as usual, great post heaven05 Feb 2014 #210
Feel better soon, heaven05! Please? :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #220
Thanks, SCE! Feral Child Feb 2014 #214
My pleasure, Feral Child! Have a wonderful week! :) SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #221
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