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Art_from_Ark

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42. Checking on buy prices in a leading numismatic newspaper,
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:47 AM
Mar 2014

Coin World, I see that there is at least one long-time advertiser who is offering $22 and up for run-of-the-mill Morgan dollars, which is around $5.50 higher than the metal content. In other words, that $22 can be considered to be the wholesale price of generic Morgan dollars in average (not uncirculated) condition. So it makes absolutely no sense, from a legitimate business perspective, for a dealer to send off Morgan dollars to be melted into silver bars or whatever, since they would only be worth about $16.50 (theoretically) as a bar of silver (but actually less than that since they would have to refined from .900 to .999 fine to make them attractive to investors).

Another thing that really caught my attention was this excerpt from a Daily Mail article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579469/Meltdown-pawn-shop-reality-television-star-tell-customer-sorry-turned-coin-collection-gold.html

Silver & Gold's spokesperson, Laura Herlovich said coins are usually in plastic cases with a value already assigned to them by an expert.

She added: 'If the grader is not someone we trust, the cases are cracked open and the coins are sent out to be melted down.

'That was the case here. I don't know for sure, but I believe a majority were melted down. They weren't worth what he [Walters] thought they were worth.'


That is either the stupidest business practice imaginable, or there is something else going on there.

First of all, I have no idea what their spokesperson means when she says that "coins are usually in plastic cases with a value already assigned to them by an expert", but it sounds like BS to me since she seems to be talking about grading company "slabs" which never come with a "value" assigned by an expert, only a grade. Giving a coin a "death sentence" merely because it's in the "wrong" type of holder is either idiotic, or...

There are two so-called "first tier" coin grading companies in the US-- NGC, and PCGS. There is also a "second tier" company called ANACS. All of those companies grade and "slab" coins in hard plastic holders that have traceable numbers.

There are also various "third tier" grading companies that don't command much respect in the numismatic community, but that's usually because they tend to overgrade coins. The vast majority of coins in their holders are genuine, but improperly graded to try to make them seem more valuable than they actually are. While it might make sense to crack a coin like that out of its "case" (slab), sending it off immediately to the smelter is stupid. If there is a question about its authenticity, why buy it in the first place? And if, for example, it's a real silver dollar, it's worth more in coin form than in melted, generic silver form.

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Anyone EVER watch Pawn stars? [View all] AsahinaKimi Mar 2014 OP
Hubby watches it all the time. Pretty interesting show. patricia92243 Mar 2014 #1
Yep pipi_k Mar 2014 #2
it sucks and I watch it eShirl Mar 2014 #3
I wonder is he really acting or ... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #4
'Pawn Stars' Shop May Have Melted Stolen $50,000 Coin Collection Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #5
They did nothing wrong hack89 Mar 2014 #6
Yep, that's true... pipi_k Mar 2014 #7
Wow.... AsahinaKimi Mar 2014 #8
They may not have done anything "wrong" from a legal standpoint, Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #22
Or the value of the gold was greater or equal to the value of the coins hack89 Mar 2014 #25
No, that's just plain wrong Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #26
Remember we only have one side of the story hack89 Mar 2014 #27
Whose side of the story is missing? Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #29
We have only the owners word for what was stolen, their condition and their value hack89 Mar 2014 #32
And on the other side, the pawnbrokers melted the evidence Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #33
ok. Time will tell. nt hack89 Mar 2014 #34
There are basically two types of people who sell coins to pawnbrokers Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #35
Checking on buy prices in a leading numismatic newspaper, Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #42
As a coin collector, that story raises some alarm bells with me Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #19
If you're going to keep $50k in gold in your house, you should spend a few hundred on a safe. nt Incitatus Mar 2014 #20
I'll admit, occassionally I will. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #9
^this, and Ineeda Mar 2014 #10
We like the show OriginalGeek Mar 2014 #11
I would love to go strolling though their shop AsahinaKimi Mar 2014 #14
Maybe that's where Michonne got hers. Brigid Mar 2014 #17
Counting cars pipi_k Mar 2014 #28
My Grandpa has a 1965 Pontiac LeMans OriginalGeek Mar 2014 #36
What a stupid, awful, contrived wreck that show is. Codeine Mar 2014 #12
Bwahahahaha! AsahinaKimi Mar 2014 #13
I watch sometimes, but it's pretty fake Beaverhausen Mar 2014 #15
I don't watch teevee Kali Mar 2014 #16
Saw an episode just this weekend. Brigid Mar 2014 #18
Totally scripted but better than most reality TV shows. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #21
Pawn Stars topped cable viewership for the week with 4.673 million viewers. yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #23
The scripting in Pawn Stars doesn't detract much from the entertainment value... Systematic Chaos Mar 2014 #24
One of the most worthless pipi_k Mar 2014 #30
Ha!!! greytdemocrat Mar 2014 #31
I do believe they mentioned AsahinaKimi Mar 2014 #40
Here's a new website.. yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #37
They ruined the show with the scripting IMO Digit Mar 2014 #38
any place UncleYoder Mar 2014 #39
We watch it Marthe48 Mar 2014 #41
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