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In reply to the discussion: Is it time for MLB to end the Pete Rose exile? [View all]JVS
(61,935 posts)18. Your story is inaccurate. Both in terms of the ethnicity of the heckler and his not having arms.
As you can read below he had arms, but not many fingers.
http://boatagainstthecurrent.blogspot.com/2012/05/this-day-in-baseball-history-cobb.html
The headline in this post, as is common in such things, loses in nuance what it gains in concision. How would you have reacted if I had written instead, Cobb Attacks Disabled Racist Fan? Or, better yet: Cobb Attacks Disabled, Racist Tammany Hack?
Heckler Claude Lucker (also spelled Lueker or Leuker, depending on the paper) worked as a page in the office of Big Tom Foley, the saloon keeper and Tammany Hall boss for whom New York courthouse Foley Square is named. From the start of the game at Hilltop Park, home of the Highlanders, he had been taunting Cobb something royal. The Tigers star had repeatedly warned Lucker (with whom he had exchanged insults at prior games) to stop, to no avail.
In the fourth inning, Cobb struck back with an insult of his own. At this point, Lucker came up with what the outfielder must have felt to be a verbal spitball: the epithet half-n***** <censored for DU by JVS>.
Cobbs subsequent over-the-top reaction derived from the equivalent of a perfect storm: frustration over the 10-13 record his team brought to the stadium; his previous run-ins with Lucker; distaste for any association whatsoever with African-Americans, and even assaults on three different ones; an unstable temperament to begin with (no doubt worsened by shame over his fathers shooting by his wifes lover); and, to top it all, teammate Sam Crawfords question about what he would do about Luckers latest remark.
Cobbs response was to scale the left-field fence, kick his tormenter till he fell down, then punch him mercilessly. None of the accounts I have read are clear about whether the star knew beforehand about Luckers significant handicaps (loss of one hand through a printing-press accident, as well as a couple of fingers on the other), but he certainly was aware by the time he was done flailing at him. An additional cry from a shocked onlooker (that man has no hands!) only seemed to heighten Cobbs anger: I dont care if he has no feet! he shot back.
And while Cobb was a despicable human being, he didn't threaten the integrity of the game by cheating.
He may have killed someone though. http://www.foxsports.com/detroit/story/a-century-later-did-ty-cobb-kill-a-man-081312
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The very first inductee, Ty Cobb was one of the most horrible human beings who ever lived
CBGLuthier
Aug 2014
#13
Your story is inaccurate. Both in terms of the ethnicity of the heckler and his not having arms.
JVS
Aug 2014
#18
He was suspended for a while but the suspension placed on him was considered so odious...
JVS
Aug 2014
#28
I'm ignorant here so help me out. Didn't he get in hot water because he bet on his own team?
BlueJazz
Aug 2014
#4
Yes. He bet on his team to win. it's not like he was up in a luxury box knocking down Scotch
mulsh
Aug 2014
#9
I know an owner of a football team, they are not allowed to bet on anything at all
The Second Stone
Aug 2014
#23