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JVS

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18. Your story is inaccurate. Both in terms of the ethnicity of the heckler and his not having arms.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 11:49 AM
Aug 2014

As you can read below he had arms, but not many fingers.

http://boatagainstthecurrent.blogspot.com/2012/05/this-day-in-baseball-history-cobb.html

The headline in this post, as is common in such things, loses in nuance what it gains in concision. How would you have reacted if I had written instead, “Cobb Attacks Disabled Racist Fan”? Or, better yet: “Cobb Attacks Disabled, Racist Tammany Hack”?

Heckler Claude Lucker (also spelled Lueker or Leuker, depending on the paper) worked as a page in the office of “Big Tom” Foley, the saloon keeper and Tammany Hall boss for whom New York courthouse Foley Square is named. From the start of the game at Hilltop Park, home of the Highlanders, he had been taunting Cobb something royal. The Tigers star had repeatedly warned Lucker (with whom he had exchanged insults at prior games) to stop, to no avail.

In the fourth inning, Cobb struck back with an insult of his own. At this point, Lucker came up with what the outfielder must have felt to be a verbal spitball: the epithet “half-n***** <censored for DU by JVS>.”

Cobb’s subsequent over-the-top reaction derived from the equivalent of a perfect storm: frustration over the 10-13 record his team brought to the stadium; his previous run-ins with Lucker; distaste for any association whatsoever with African-Americans, and even assaults on three different ones; an unstable temperament to begin with (no doubt worsened by shame over his father’s shooting by his wife’s lover); and, to top it all, teammate Sam Crawford’s question about what he would do about Lucker’s latest remark.

Cobb’s response was to scale the left-field fence, kick his tormenter till he fell down, then punch him mercilessly. None of the accounts I have read are clear about whether the star knew beforehand about Lucker’s significant handicaps (loss of one hand through a printing-press accident, as well as a couple of fingers on the other), but he certainly was aware by the time he was done flailing at him. An additional cry from a shocked onlooker (“that man has no hands!”) only seemed to heighten Cobb’s anger: “I don’t care if he has no feet!” he shot back.





And while Cobb was a despicable human being, he didn't threaten the integrity of the game by cheating.

He may have killed someone though. http://www.foxsports.com/detroit/story/a-century-later-did-ty-cobb-kill-a-man-081312

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Is it time for MLB to end the Pete Rose exile? [View all] Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 OP
Yeah I feel it is time to forgive. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #1
Worse people are in the Hall of Fame. Tobin S. Aug 2014 #2
I think that sometimes gets lost in this discussion Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #6
The very first inductee, Ty Cobb was one of the most horrible human beings who ever lived CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #13
Your story is inaccurate. Both in terms of the ethnicity of the heckler and his not having arms. JVS Aug 2014 #18
Think about the Ron Artest dustup Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #27
He was suspended for a while but the suspension placed on him was considered so odious... JVS Aug 2014 #28
To not have the all-time hits leader not in the hall of fame is just ludicrous rurallib Aug 2014 #3
At some point, there is going to be an "Asterisk Hall" Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #7
I'm ignorant here so help me out. Didn't he get in hot water because he bet on his own team? BlueJazz Aug 2014 #4
More specifically, he bet on games while he was a baseball MANAGER. DinahMoeHum Aug 2014 #5
Very well stated Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #8
"one is in a bigger position to influence the outcome of a game" BlueJazz Aug 2014 #10
+1 JVS Aug 2014 #19
Yes. He bet on his team to win. it's not like he was up in a luxury box knocking down Scotch mulsh Aug 2014 #9
I know an owner of a football team, they are not allowed to bet on anything at all The Second Stone Aug 2014 #23
Yes, he bet on his own team... Chan790 Aug 2014 #25
Did they ever prove he bet on his team to lose? IIRC they did not jmowreader Aug 2014 #11
Suppose you are a fan of the DU Senators and I'm the manager JVS Aug 2014 #20
Nicely explained. Frank Cannon Aug 2014 #22
Good examples The Second Stone Aug 2014 #24
yes nt michreject Aug 2014 #12
hell to the yeahs KG Aug 2014 #14
No. Fuck him. JVS Aug 2014 #15
Pretty much depends on how one feels about rules. malthaussen Aug 2014 #16
Long past time. Iggo Aug 2014 #17
Baseball used to be incredibly strict about gambling SwankyXomb Aug 2014 #21
Yep. hifiguy Aug 2014 #26
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