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16. One loses the farm when indexes crash, only if one sells before the recovery
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 11:26 PM
Mar 2017

Last edited Mon Mar 6, 2017, 09:46 AM - Edit history (2)

[font color = blue]>>I remember watching my balanced investments hit the toilet in 2000 and 2007 while I stood by calmly and unemotionally.<<[/font]

Well, I wasn't calm, nor was I unemotional. But I knew that the stock market always recovers. I knew that the stock market periodically sets new highs. And I knew that it never, ever, sets new lows. I also knew that earnings drives the market in the long-run. The rest is statistical noise and the ebb and flow of emotions.

Looking at the Vanguard Total (U.S.) Stock Market Index Fund, VTSMX -- and using price values adjusted for distributions (so we're talking about total return, not just prices) --

As for the 2000 crash -- It peaked in 3/27/2000, and then fell far, but it reached its peak value again on 10/4/2006 and went on to set new all-time highs. [font color = red] On Edit -- so that's about a 6 1/2 year recovery time measured from the peak. For someone buying at the very peak, that is. For others, the recovery time is less[/font]

As for the 2007 crash -- it peaked on 10/9/2007, and fell way way down, but it reached that peak level again on 3/3/2012, and went on to set new all-time highs. [font color = red] On Edit -- so that's about a 4 1/2 year recovery time measured from the peak[/font]

Since its inception 4/27/92, through 3/3/17 close, it has gone up 9.517-fold during those 24.85 years, which is an average annualized growth rate of 9.491%.

[font color = blue]>>What's that they say? You can't really beat the indexes. But you can loose the farm when the indexes crash. <<[/font]

Only if you sell before it inevitably recovers. Until then, it is just a paper loss.

A sell decision is really two decisions -- when to sell, and then when to buy again.

Very few people are good at timing the market. For the rest of us, time in the market is more important than trying to time the market.

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i dont think so. drray23 Feb 2017 #1
I'm retiring in the next 6 months GP6971 Feb 2017 #3
I would recommend going with the major True Dough Feb 2017 #2
That's less of a joke than you think..........n/t fNord Feb 2017 #6
Private prison stocks. Mendocino Mar 2017 #10
Sessions? True Dough Mar 2017 #12
Dah Mendocino Mar 2017 #13
No. I've been in the stock market since June 1987 yeoman6987 Feb 2017 #4
Hmm, since then, the Vanguard S&P 500 index fund (VFINX) has gone up 14.967 fold progree Feb 2017 #7
That would depend..... fNord Feb 2017 #5
oh, yes, I've been invested in Vanguard's S&P 500 fund for many years... Rollo Feb 2017 #8
One thing to consider... 2naSalit Feb 2017 #9
No Metsie Casey Mar 2017 #11
You can't let your personal feelings influence your investing BainsBane Mar 2017 #14
Yes and no... Rollo Mar 2017 #15
One loses the farm when indexes crash, only if one sells before the recovery progree Mar 2017 #16
OK, sure, five or six years for the markets (and one's investments) to recover... Rollo Mar 2017 #17
Sell bonds to meet living expenses in down markets progree Mar 2017 #23
The problem is that even bonds are no longer a safe haven... Rollo Mar 2017 #24
"But nobody has a fool proof formula for investing success." A HERETIC I AM Mar 2017 #18
Back in '08 and '09 -- Actually I was buying like crazy progree Mar 2017 #19
In 2009 I watched a stock I owned dip down to the price I'd paid for it 10 years earlier Rollo Mar 2017 #22
Not so fast my friend TrackFan12 Mar 2017 #20
Obviously it's a good idea to sell SOME (sell high) at the peaks in order to accumulate Rollo Mar 2017 #21
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