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limpyhobbler

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47. Some point-people can be designated and authorized to make decisions,
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 08:34 PM
Aug 2012

especially in the case of emergencies. Start with the principle of democracy, and give individuals authority only when there is some valid justification. And those individuals should then be held accountable for their decisions.

Consider a government run school. You've got administrators there. But they are accountable to a school board, who are elected by the people of the town. The administrators are empowered to make some decisions within limits. But they are accountable to a democracy. As long as the elections themselves can be trusted, that's democratic control. The people who work there should also have influence over decisions to the extent that decisions will affect them. Workers typical exert that influence via labor unions.

A similar principle of accountability via government could apply in the case of larger state run industries like the UK National Health Service, or any government operated public utility. Administrators are authorized to make decisions within limits, and are held accountable by whichever means is in place to hold government accountable. I think elections are a fine way to do that.

In the case of non-governmental companies there are various ideas for workplace democracy. My personal opinion is that it will take quite a bit of experimentation to find out what works best, and there may not be a single solution that works in all cases. I think many of us like the idea of worker owned and managed corporations or co-operatives. And those co-operatives may also delegate limited decision-making authority to designated people.

Democracy doesn't require people have to vote or reach consensus on everything under the sun. It's fine to give people limited authority to make decisions on behalf of a company. But there does need to be a valid justification for giving people authority. And then authority should be held accountable and subject to recall.

YMMV.



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I didn't know there was a Socialist Progressives group on DU. Betsy Ross Jul 2012 #1
This group is pretty lively. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #2
It is. We have several subscribers too! Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #3
We have over a 100 subscribers I think. We are probably one of the most popular groups here. white_wolf Jul 2012 #5
Oooh, I have the Gungeon trashed, so I can't check, but I'll bet you might be right! Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #6
I just checked on our subscriber numbers........ socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #9
Hey, good to see you! Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #10
Yes, it seems to be. :^) GreenPartyVoter Jul 2012 #4
Thank you! gopiscrap Jul 2012 #7
you are welcome..! limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #8
Very interesting zzaapp Jul 2012 #11
"Why Socialism?" Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #12
very heavy stuff, thanks can I ask a couple more questions please? zzaapp Jul 2012 #13
The social goals would be determined by working people Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #14
Thanks Starry, zzaapp Jul 2012 #16
"So our elected officials would set the social agenda, right?" Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #18
In the Halliburton scenario, would everyone be paid the same wage zzaapp Jul 2012 #20
Not necessarily, no. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #22
I must be laboring under a misconception, zzaapp Jul 2012 #23
Yes, that is incorrect. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #25
Thanks zzaapp Jul 2012 #26
Under Socialism, you get to keep your stuff. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #27
LOL...I wouldn't say corporation... more of a small business man. zzaapp Jul 2012 #28
Marx was talking about property for heavy industries. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #30
Most Marxist or communist organizations......... socialist_n_TN Aug 2012 #36
Thanks SNT zzaapp Aug 2012 #37
This actually touches on a larger debate in socialist circles that I won't get too much into white_wolf Aug 2012 #38
WW, thank you for your informative post, zzaapp Aug 2012 #39
Everyone's favorite example. PETRUS Aug 2012 #40
Thanks so much Petrus, going there now. zzaapp Aug 2012 #41
Well you probably wouldn't have a company organized like a capitalist corporation. white_wolf Aug 2012 #42
I know that this all is very speculative... zzaapp Aug 2012 #43
Sure it is. Democracy itself is cumbersome at times. Dictatorships are much more efficent. white_wolf Aug 2012 #44
I've read some Noam Chomsky.... zzaapp Aug 2012 #45
I'm one of the ones that think things should be a bit more centralized. Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #46
I second the call for common sense. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #48
+1000 Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #49
To Limpy, Starry, Petrus, SNT and white wolf zzaapp Aug 2012 #50
Regarding individualism... white_wolf Aug 2012 #51
I've run into that here. zzaapp Aug 2012 #52
This is an excellent point ww. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #53
Two Quotes Come to Mind Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2012 #56
hmm. that's interesting limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #57
From the Individualist to the Communist variants of anarchism ... Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2012 #58
Some point-people can be designated and authorized to make decisions, limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #47
Before I answer this, remember....... socialist_n_TN Aug 2012 #54
Damn, I forgot to answer your basic question........ socialist_n_TN Aug 2012 #55
Equal satisfaction of needs tama Nov 2012 #59
Mr. or Ms. zzaapp is no longer with us it seems. Been PPR'd. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #60
One more question, this is very interesting, thanks for putting up with me. zzaapp Jul 2012 #17
Can't work because of disability? Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #19
I'm not sure, I think that there are many people who are content to let zzaapp Jul 2012 #21
Science usually says otherwise. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #24
Starry, I hope you can take a compliment. zzaapp Jul 2012 #29
Thank you zzaapp. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #31
Learn something new everyday, zzaapp Jul 2012 #15
Sarcasm? limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #32
I've never had the pleasure of hearing Mr. West speak. zzaapp Jul 2012 #33
That's star power I guess. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #34
LH.....you're right on. zzaapp Aug 2012 #35
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