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In reply to the discussion: What does Socialism look like to you? [View all]NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)34. Cuba's GDP has doubled in the last 10 years
This is while they are isolated from their largest potential trading partner. Their GDP has consistently trended upward in the last 50 years.
If they have no growth incentive, please tell when they plan to stop growing for good.
if it were able to develop sustainable agriculture (as Cuba is doing)
"Sustainable agriculture" is somewhat of an oxymoron FYI. Exploiting land for energy surplus will always lead to conditions that create a larger demand for energy.
Any economic system is largely the same. It demands that I pick up a rake, hoe, hammer or pen and work to put food in my belly; food that would take far less effort to put in my belly if I were living harmoniously with nature. Economic systems separate man from nature, force them to work at least twice as much, and then exploits their labor "for the common good" (also known as rewards their energy expenditure with less "goods" than that energy can potentially net on its own in a natural setting). But this extra work never translates into an objective common good, as community it broken, sickness increases, humans are enslaved, and more complex problems appear than would exist in an egalitarian, communal tribe (what we observe in natural). All that exploited energy just fuels growth, which fuels demand for more energy and breeds rampant problems.
Economic systems exist to fix the problems their existence creates and to grow larger (as well as to allow elites to exploit energy). Their existence is insufficient at improving the natural condition of the human race. Further, their existence has proven to be one of the greatest threats to the human race that there ever has been (illustrated by climate change)
If socialism allowed--no, promoted--me to "drop out" with a group of friends and go back to nature, then it would be different. But as of now, socialism wants to put a tool in my hand and turn me into a cog, as every other economic system does, in the name of growth and "goodness". I'm glad to be a recovering socialist
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I like China's approach to socialism of limiting women to one baby and eventually using genetic
jody
Nov 2012
#1
China is Communist, which is more authoritarin than many varieties of Socialism are. nt
patrice
Nov 2012
#4
& Shame on you for trying to turn a thread about Socialism into a whatever forum. Start
patrice
Nov 2012
#8
BS I responded to the OP. Are you ignorant of China's socialist policies to limit population and
jody
Nov 2012
#9
Do you think all Republicans hate Obama? Same logic as the statement above. Weak.
patrice
Nov 2012
#26
On edit you added "it has more to do with autocracy". Don't you know that socialism requires a
jody
Nov 2012
#12
Don't you know that Socialism requires no such thing. You have just disqualified yourself
patrice
Nov 2012
#20
I concede and understand your policy, your group allows only pro-red posts and bans "red-baiting"
jody
Nov 2012
#21
It's an oversimplification to assume that the weight of any fact is the same in all situations, all
patrice
Nov 2012
#24
Worker defined & governed Real Value in exchange for Real Value. The MOST efficient economic
patrice
Nov 2012
#2
I like the definition that Adam Smith uses in The Wealth of Nations, in the simplist terms,
patrice
Nov 2012
#10
I don't mind people disagreeing with me; what I don't like is being mis-understood.
patrice
Jun 2013
#124
capitalism has a growth imperative. socialism doesn't. there's no requirement for growth in
HiPointDem
May 2013
#110
Odd how what appears to be "Libertarian" folk are AGAINST worker AUTONOMY, isn't it. Apparently
patrice
Nov 2012
#28
Thanks, your "traditional liberties" aka natural, inherent, inalienable/unalienable rights in
jody
Nov 2012
#46
True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence
limpyhobbler
Nov 2012
#47
I still don't understand how those things you want to call "rights" can be shown to pre-exist our
jody
Nov 2012
#48
Because such rights cannot be alienated, given away, however SCOTUS has offered opinions that allow
jody
Nov 2012
#50
Apparently you and I have a different understanding of rights. My thoughts on the topic are at
jody
Nov 2012
#59
Because some states declared them and it's up to state and federal courts to decide whether
jody
Nov 2012
#68
So you think rights are inalienable because they are declared in state constitutions?
limpyhobbler
Nov 2012
#70
A right is either enumerated or unenumerated. Suggest you read the history of our Bill of Rights. nt
jody
Nov 2012
#71
What is your point in posting state constitutions? What point are you trying to make, if any?
limpyhobbler
Nov 2012
#76
Why do you introduce slave owner? You do know that WA and CO just exercised nullification by making
jody
Nov 2012
#63
OK one major problem is a generation gap or perhaps two but we've had an interesting exchange. Have
jody
Nov 2012
#65
I'm 77 and survived a near death experience via heart attack five years ago. Every morning I wake up
jody
Nov 2012
#69
Nullification per Jefferson&Madison is states exercising their Tenth Amendment power, see link below
jody
Dec 2012
#93
Starry Messenger I'm very disappointed that your OP has not triggered a spirited, intelligent
jody
Nov 2012
#51
An increased percentage of the mix as a transitional step along the path to our next plane
TheKentuckian
Dec 2012
#85
You're right about that, Starry. I'm on the edge of that propaganda effort myself.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2012
#87
Right again, no matter which way we go I've yet to catch a projection that they don't make worse.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2012
#89
You're assuming that the ruling class has some investment in maintaining the lives of the
HiPointDem
May 2013
#111