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TommyCelt

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12. socialist_n_TN, I see parallels...
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:58 AM
Mar 2013

Good Pope John was considered an intellectual/theological lightweight, and a "place maker Pope" after Pius XII's long reign. I don't need to go into his accomplishments; John XXIII is greatest modern Pope. Without question.

While I'm unsure of Francis' intellectual credentials, he is certainly doesn't have the chops of BXVI. He's old, so they don't want a long papacy. But Francis is already screwing around with a lot of time-honored traditions:

- Choosing a regnal name that by tradition is from the 'retired jersey' list
- Asking to be blessed by the faithful before bestowing his first blessing
- Eschewing use of the Pope-mobile (hasn't used it yet)
- Using his plain iron cross pendant instead of the opulent gold papal cross
- Just being a Jesuit in general

He's got baggage from the Dirty War, by virtue of his position in the Jesuits at the time. But AI (not the Church's favorite organization and vice versa) has cleared him of any wrongdoing there. If there were anything to truly bring to light, I believe they would have. I'm guessing the phantom charges here will eventually dissipate. I'm more concerned by the comments he made about homosexual marriage as Archbishop.

All of the pluses are essentially window dressing at this point. As you say, let us see where Pope Francis' papacy and the state of the Church is in a year or two. As a progressive Catholic, I am heartened by what I have seen at this early stage, however.

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If I'm reading this correctly, what he calls economic liberalism is what we call hedgehog Mar 2013 #1
Thanks. I think you're right Catherina Mar 2013 #2
I think he is in the same mold as the last few popes. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #7
I think he's pretty much from the same mold, especially on doctrinal issues Catherina Mar 2013 #9
I was reading it as Neoliberalism. Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 #6
In most of the world, "liberalism" economically speaking....... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #8
socialist_n_TN, I see parallels... TommyCelt Mar 2013 #12
CORRECTION TommyCelt Mar 2013 #13
Allegations about any collaboration have been dismissed as slander by Top HR officials Catherina Mar 2013 #15
the world's wealthiest organization could sell some assets to feed the poor...but won't nt msongs Mar 2013 #3
The world's wealthiest organization... TommyCelt Mar 2013 #14
the church hasn't sold assets? not what i hear. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #21
More: 'human rights are violated not only by terrorism... but also by unjust economic structures' Catherina Mar 2013 #4
Let's hope he will change Catholicism. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #5
I haven't read that book Catherina Mar 2013 #10
Respectfully I'm very skeptical on whether this Pope believes in real economic reforms. limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #11
I have more faith than you do but you could be right Catherina Mar 2013 #16
I took limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #17
Because of the preceding paragraph, I think you're right Catherina Mar 2013 #18
LOL ok I won't hold you to it. limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #19
Thank you. I appreciate that Catherina Mar 2013 #20
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