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Classical Music

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Jeebo

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Sat Jan 13, 2024, 05:39 PM Jan 2024

Why are there so few black people in classical music? [View all]

This is something that has been bothering me a lot, for a long time. I just watched a video on YouTube of an orchestra in Berlin performing Mahler's second symphony. That symphony is one of my favorites, 80 minutes of heavenly bliss to me. That symphony requires a LOT of people, a huge orchestra and a huge choir. I didn't count them, but there must have been 140 or 150 people on that stage performing that wonderful music. Out of that many people, even in central Europe, you would think there would be at least a half dozen black people, wouldn't you? There were a few Asian faces and a few more that looked like they might have been Hispanic, but not one single black face. Not one. And I spent all of those 80 minutes trying to find them. I looked, really hard.

I watch a lot of classical music performances on YouTube and this happens everywhere. Almost never do I see a black person among the performers. Even huge ensembles like the one I just watched. They're all white people.

Is there some kind of racial discrimination going on here? I don't think so. Classical music people are intelligent people, cultured and educated and aware, and I am sure they are beyond that kind of stupidity. Is there some reason why black people don't like classical music? I'm trying really hard to be careful in the way that I pose that question, because it would be too easy to say something that somebody might interpret as racially insensitive or invoking racial stereotypes, but I am trying to identify the reasons why black people just don't have anything to do with classical music. Maybe this is a social or cultural issue that some master's or Ph.D. student in sociology could write a thesis or dissertation about.

In case you're wondering, I'm a 74-year-old white man. If I were the head man in a big city orchestra somewhere, or even a medium-sized city, I would launch a recruitment effort trying to recruit black people into my orchestra.

-- Ron

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I'm sorry to say that a lot of the orchestras in Europe are intensely conservative. Aristus Jan 2024 #1
Somewhere on YouTube ... Jeebo Jan 2024 #8
Propably because of non-interest. brush Jan 2024 #2
Non-interest on whose part? Jeebo Jan 2024 #5
I think that response that details the conservative nature of European ochestras is exactly right. Old orchestras with. RussellCattle Jan 2024 #3
Please listen to programs by Lara Downes on KUSC from 8pm to 12 pm (Pacific) usonian Jan 2024 #4
The St. Louis Opera Theatre did Treemonisha. Jeebo Jan 2024 #12
I am not going to list the top 10, or 15 or 25 great black singers. There are so many. usonian Jan 2024 #15
Wow. I was today years old when i learned... Beartracks Jan 2024 #13
I knew that at around age six, the first time I listened to the soundtrack to the film "The Sting". Aristus Jan 2024 #17
My goodness, Scott Joplin, Eubie Blake and others dominated ragtime. usonian Jan 2024 #18
Music lessons and instruments are expensive; anyone who wants to play Ocelot II Jan 2024 #6
Check out Barbara Hendricks tetedur Jan 2024 #7
Thanks for sharing that, but ... Jeebo Jan 2024 #11
During my time... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #9
I haven't paid a lot of attention to orchestras, though I think in the US they are mostly white with a few Asians. Lonestarblue Jan 2024 #10
A lot of public schools have cut their music programs. no_hypocrisy Jan 2024 #14
good question, and hopefully it will get turned around soon... bahboo Jan 2024 #16
Check out the Detroit Symphony Orchestra bif Jan 2024 #19
P.S. Mahler's 2nd is one of my faves as well! bif Jan 2024 #20
I have attended four live performances of that symphony. Jeebo Jan 2024 #21
There's so much going on here, and people have already mentioned some of the barriers... CBHagman Feb 2024 #22
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