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Grumpy Old Guy

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51. My honest two cents worth, (I came in second place). EDITED FOR THE ORIGINAL PHOTO
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 06:49 PM
Jul 2022

Last edited Tue Jul 19, 2022, 02:12 PM - Edit history (3)

I came in second place, with the shot of the Osprey. FYI, the only editing that I did on my photo was some heavy cropping, image sharpening, and I made the sky a little bluer than the original. I used a 500mm lens on a 45mp camera. I'll post the original here for comparison.

People often ask me "did you photoshop that picture?" My answer is usually, "well, you know, we don't really have darkrooms anymore, so yes, I did use a computer to process the photo." Most of us have been using digital cameras or phones for about twenty years now, and we've lost sight of a few things. We've all forgotten how wonderful Kodachrome, Ektachrome, Kodacolor, Fujichrome, Agfa, etc. were. The colors were deep and saturated right out of the camera, and they were beautiful. Many people just don't realize that the cameras and phones are actually processing the photos for us, and in most cases, doing a very poor job of it. We've become accustomed to drab, washed out, or muddy photos, and we think that they're okay. They're not.

As some of you know, I worked in broadcast news for forty years, so I'm very familiar with the ethics of image manipulation. In our business we sometimes referred to the raw news video of an event as an "actuality." I think that speaks for itself. I have a friend who once was suspended for a week because he was shooting an interview in a clothing store, and he moved the clothes on the rack behind the interviewee to get a better background. That was considered manipulation, and it wasn't allowed. The rules were strict.

The other area where manipulation is forbidden is the gathering of forensic evidence for a legal proceeding, for obvious reasons.

Well, I'm retired now, and my perspective has changed. I now want to produce images that people like to look at. I hope it gives them some enjoyment, and I hope that they will want to put them on their wall and look at them everyday. I participated in over eighteen thousand broadcasts, and no one will ever remember a single one of them. My photography is something that will live on after I'm gone. I've won several of the contests here, and in every instance, I certainly used my skills to enhance the photo. In my mind, I'm just trying to achieve what we did with Kodachrome forty years ago.

That said, let me say this about processing for contests. I often enter contests for "Outdoor Photography" magazine. Their rules state that basic edits concerning exposure, color balance, cropping, etc. are acceptable, but not much beyond that. I've checked, and our rules don't say that. Anything goes here. I'm very competitive, but I also realize that most of the folks here don't have that high of a skill level, so I try to keep my photos relatively simple.

Here is an excerpt of our contest rules:

"There will be no extra rules on the Seasonal Contest beyond keeping your entry no larger than 1024 pixels in its longest dimension and under 675K in file size and limit photo editing to a reasonable amount. We would prefer your photo look like a photograph instead of a digital design. If you aren’t sure, ask the group in a separate thread. You’ll get plenty of feedback to specific questions."


I support AndyS, and I think his photo was sensational. I almost voted for it. Almost! His entry was well within the rules. If some folks think the rules should be changed, that is something that can be considered.

Don't forget this is a fun contest. Let's just have fun.

Just my humble opinion.

Grumpy


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Your Mileage May Vary wyn borkins Jul 2022 #1
+1 Ferrets are Cool Jul 2022 #4
I agree, in that, in my opinion at least, photo enhancing is fine when done to clean up Ocelot II Jul 2022 #5
I thought I cleaned up a flaw when I changed the grumpy cat look AndyS Jul 2022 #15
The problem I have is that cats are simply not able to smile like that. Ocelot II Jul 2022 #18
It depends on the application and the audience. AndyS Jul 2022 #29
I agree kcr Jul 2022 #41
This is reminiscent of the discussions dating back to the early days of photography. AndyS Jul 2022 #9
Thank You AndyS wyn borkins Jul 2022 #14
What I've gleaned from this so far is "I just don't want to know about it." AndyS Jul 2022 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author wyn borkins Jul 2022 #20
I had the same reactions to the same two elements. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #11
Why should I as a photographer be limited in the use of tools? AndyS Jul 2022 #13
It's not a question of what you should be allowed to do as a artist. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #24
I think the question is where we draw the line (if we want to draw one) between Ocelot II Jul 2022 #21
I like the unaltered picture much better. 3catwoman3 Jul 2022 #2
Actually I like the original better. Ocelot II Jul 2022 #3
The "smile" was a W.T.F. when I first saw it. 3Hotdogs Jul 2022 #6
So it's just a matter of degree? It's okay to mess with reality AndyS Jul 2022 #12
Oh I am disappointed to find out it was not real. applegrove Jul 2022 #7
Reminds me of a Picasso quote. AndyS Jul 2022 #10
The issue here is not the nature of art or how realistic it should be. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #16
This is the crux of why I started this thread. It IS the nature of art and the craft of image making AndyS Jul 2022 #22
I feel like you're replying to my posts without really absorbing what I'm saying. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #26
Shaz, I really do understand what you are saying and I've had a long time to consider AndyS Jul 2022 #28
I don't really have an opinion on this, either way. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #49
I wondered about this one. Right or wrong I don't know. Srkdqltr Jul 2022 #8
I also assume these photos are cleaned up and enhanced. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #17
I avoid contests. usonian Jul 2022 #23
I leave it to the folks who run the contest, but my own feeling is that this was not in the spirit JudyM Jul 2022 #25
Thank you! ShazzieB Jul 2022 #27
It seems that your view is in the majority and I can understand that view. AndyS Jul 2022 #30
I agree with you. Bluepinky Jul 2022 #31
That is what the criteria for your vote should be. AndyS Jul 2022 #32
Maybe the photos should be displayed in a "before and after" format. Bluepinky Jul 2022 #33
I whole heartedly disagree with your conclusion. AndyS Jul 2022 #34
"With paintings or drawings, you know it's an image as depicted by the artist" AndyS Jul 2022 #35
Ok Andy.. I learned two things from the post and not about the composition mitch96 Jul 2022 #36
So, the photo contest is a "photocreation" contest. BWdem4life Jul 2022 #37
I will cross post. AndyS Jul 2022 #38
The original kitty is much cuter. CrispyQ Jul 2022 #39
I repeat, if the image appeals to you that's a good thing. If not I've failed be it AndyS Jul 2022 #40
Sorry. I like the unaltered image much better kcr Jul 2022 #42
I voted for the bird. Mosby Jul 2022 #43
Reminds me of a college course I took dweller Jul 2022 #44
All digital images have full information about the image embedded along with all the AndyS Jul 2022 #45
Well said: "people should be able to believe that what they are seeing is real." JudyM Jul 2022 #46
I think we've got two separate issues to debate. AndyS is a very good, professional sinkingfeeling Jul 2022 #47
Considering that you have won as have any number of cell phone photographers AndyS Jul 2022 #50
Interesting question! Pobeka Jul 2022 #48
My honest two cents worth, (I came in second place). EDITED FOR THE ORIGINAL PHOTO Grumpy Old Guy Jul 2022 #51
For comparison, here are the rules used by "Outdoor Photography" magazine Grumpy Old Guy Jul 2022 #52
Loving this conversation! ManiacJoe Jul 2022 #53
and, here i just thought you had a goofy looking cat... Gato Moteado Jul 2022 #54
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