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ManiacJoe

(10,138 posts)
53. Loving this conversation!
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 09:45 PM
Jul 2022

Coming in late to the party....

Photography exists on a sliding scale:
documentation/journalism --- photo as art --- art that started as a photo

All positions on the scale are valid as long as the "photo" is correctly labeled. The vast majority of photos seen by the public are in the "photo as art" range.

Documentation/journalism is the only position that severely limits the edits for obvious reasons. Art being passed off as journalism gets photographers fired and gets big apologies from the media when found.

Photo contests usually have a set of rules governing the allowed edits, written or unwritten. Those are the conditions of entry. In the case of the DU contests, sometimes there are written rules for the individual contest, but usually not. The usual assumption is that the edits will be light-handed, but we all know the problem with assumptions.

I did not see nor vote in this particular contest. Here are my thoughts based on examples in this thread.

For the kitten photo, my personal preference is to not have the smile and enlarged eyes since they are not realistic. All the other edits regarding color/brightness/object-removal seem perfectly fine.

If the contest rules did not prohibit the controversial edits, then I am fine with them being there. However, because of them, I would not have voted for that photo based on my personal preferences.

The woodpecker is a great conversational piece for this thread. From the artistic perspective and the technical skills, the compositing of the new background was very well done. Does it fit the rules of the contest? Depends on the stated rules of the contest. It would probably go against some unwritten assumptions, but that is the problem with assumptions. Given how natural it looks, I would have no problem voting for it in a contest that does not prohibit it.

Love the conversation of this thread!

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Your Mileage May Vary wyn borkins Jul 2022 #1
+1 Ferrets are Cool Jul 2022 #4
I agree, in that, in my opinion at least, photo enhancing is fine when done to clean up Ocelot II Jul 2022 #5
I thought I cleaned up a flaw when I changed the grumpy cat look AndyS Jul 2022 #15
The problem I have is that cats are simply not able to smile like that. Ocelot II Jul 2022 #18
It depends on the application and the audience. AndyS Jul 2022 #29
I agree kcr Jul 2022 #41
This is reminiscent of the discussions dating back to the early days of photography. AndyS Jul 2022 #9
Thank You AndyS wyn borkins Jul 2022 #14
What I've gleaned from this so far is "I just don't want to know about it." AndyS Jul 2022 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author wyn borkins Jul 2022 #20
I had the same reactions to the same two elements. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #11
Why should I as a photographer be limited in the use of tools? AndyS Jul 2022 #13
It's not a question of what you should be allowed to do as a artist. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #24
I think the question is where we draw the line (if we want to draw one) between Ocelot II Jul 2022 #21
I like the unaltered picture much better. 3catwoman3 Jul 2022 #2
Actually I like the original better. Ocelot II Jul 2022 #3
The "smile" was a W.T.F. when I first saw it. 3Hotdogs Jul 2022 #6
So it's just a matter of degree? It's okay to mess with reality AndyS Jul 2022 #12
Oh I am disappointed to find out it was not real. applegrove Jul 2022 #7
Reminds me of a Picasso quote. AndyS Jul 2022 #10
The issue here is not the nature of art or how realistic it should be. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #16
This is the crux of why I started this thread. It IS the nature of art and the craft of image making AndyS Jul 2022 #22
I feel like you're replying to my posts without really absorbing what I'm saying. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #26
Shaz, I really do understand what you are saying and I've had a long time to consider AndyS Jul 2022 #28
I don't really have an opinion on this, either way. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #49
I wondered about this one. Right or wrong I don't know. Srkdqltr Jul 2022 #8
I also assume these photos are cleaned up and enhanced. ShazzieB Jul 2022 #17
I avoid contests. usonian Jul 2022 #23
I leave it to the folks who run the contest, but my own feeling is that this was not in the spirit JudyM Jul 2022 #25
Thank you! ShazzieB Jul 2022 #27
It seems that your view is in the majority and I can understand that view. AndyS Jul 2022 #30
I agree with you. Bluepinky Jul 2022 #31
That is what the criteria for your vote should be. AndyS Jul 2022 #32
Maybe the photos should be displayed in a "before and after" format. Bluepinky Jul 2022 #33
I whole heartedly disagree with your conclusion. AndyS Jul 2022 #34
"With paintings or drawings, you know it's an image as depicted by the artist" AndyS Jul 2022 #35
Ok Andy.. I learned two things from the post and not about the composition mitch96 Jul 2022 #36
So, the photo contest is a "photocreation" contest. BWdem4life Jul 2022 #37
I will cross post. AndyS Jul 2022 #38
The original kitty is much cuter. CrispyQ Jul 2022 #39
I repeat, if the image appeals to you that's a good thing. If not I've failed be it AndyS Jul 2022 #40
Sorry. I like the unaltered image much better kcr Jul 2022 #42
I voted for the bird. Mosby Jul 2022 #43
Reminds me of a college course I took dweller Jul 2022 #44
All digital images have full information about the image embedded along with all the AndyS Jul 2022 #45
Well said: "people should be able to believe that what they are seeing is real." JudyM Jul 2022 #46
I think we've got two separate issues to debate. AndyS is a very good, professional sinkingfeeling Jul 2022 #47
Considering that you have won as have any number of cell phone photographers AndyS Jul 2022 #50
Interesting question! Pobeka Jul 2022 #48
My honest two cents worth, (I came in second place). EDITED FOR THE ORIGINAL PHOTO Grumpy Old Guy Jul 2022 #51
For comparison, here are the rules used by "Outdoor Photography" magazine Grumpy Old Guy Jul 2022 #52
Loving this conversation! ManiacJoe Jul 2022 #53
and, here i just thought you had a goofy looking cat... Gato Moteado Jul 2022 #54
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