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DonaldsRump

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60. Yuiyoshida's arguments

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:07 AM

Oct 2018

on other points are usually right on. I hadn't really focused on this issue, but I am going to now because of the real concern she and others are displaying. For that reason alone, thank you to her for bringing this to my attention.

One thing to factor in: Trump's tax cut REALLY put the screws on states like California, NY etc. I've been reading some articles in the business papers that there is already a migration out of California because of the state and local taxation/SALT limitations that the tax changes put into effect on deductability.

The other very clear thing that is happening, AFAIK, is that there is a national "correction" already happening in residential real estate. In states like California, I think this is going to be exacerbated because of the SALT deduction limitations.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that it is true that there is a start of migration out of California (and I don't have any way of really knowing that except what I read), how do those who are smarter than me see Proposition 10 playing out if passed or if not passed.

Please help, as I am going to do early voting this week or early next week!

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VOTE NO ON PROP 10, OR I COULD BE HOMELESS.... not kidding [View all] yuiyoshida Oct 2018 OP

I'll vote No. Iliyah Oct 2018 #1

The NO votes here are stupid. Prop 10 allows expansion of rent control CreekDog Oct 2018 #110

most props are bad in general so NO JuJuYoshida Oct 2018 #2

yuiyoshida, Polly Hennessey Oct 2018 #3

I'm voting yes because I think rent control should be an option. David__77 Oct 2018 #4

THANKS A FUCKING LOT... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #7

no shit baby JuJuYoshida Oct 2018 #17

Please explain to these people.. yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #20

You have it backwards yuiyoshida FBaggins Oct 2018 #101

Prop 10 does not do this DBoon Oct 2018 #5

NO IT DOESN'T yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #8

You are wrong DBoon Oct 2018 #9

I WILL NOT live AS A HOMELESS PERSON yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #11

What you are posting has nothing to do with what Prop 10 says DBoon Oct 2018 #12

IF if passes I will be dead... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #13

Please read the law. It allows stricter rent control by municipalities. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #14

omg... I WILL NOT LIVE LIKE THIS!!! yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #16

Actually the law that they want to repeal is the reason your landlady can raise the rent in the firs Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #21

NO on prop 10! yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #26

There are crappy properties that are rent controlled and some that are not Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #63

yuiyoshida, I reread the text on proposition 10. For those currently renting and under rent control still_one Oct 2018 #136

+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #137

how do they determine the cost of rent for existing renters, it isn't clear to me. Thanks still_one Oct 2018 #50

Buildings built after 1980 cannot be rent controlled.. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #54

yup. I have reread the proposition. It expands rent control state wide, and people who currently still_one Oct 2018 #139

You are getting hysterical. Posting a bunch of pictures and saying you'd sooner kill yourself stopbush Oct 2018 #71

I WOULD SOONER KILL MYSELF THAN LIVE ON THE STREET yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #74

Except no one is saying you need to live on the street. Simple. stopbush Oct 2018 #76

Really?? and where the yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #78

We are on the verge of losing our home becauase of the endless rent hikes. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #80

DID YOU EVEN SEE THIS? yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #81

I dont think landlords care if i lose my home because i cannot afford rent Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #86

Last I looked you have no right to expect to be able to live anywhere stopbush Oct 2018 #87

Stopbush. Prop 10 will make it easier to stay in expensive cities Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #89

I agree. I am voting yes on Prop 10. stopbush Oct 2018 #93

Me too. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #94

This 5th generation San Franciscan left for the reasons you mention CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #132

Calm down and read the proposition California_Republic Oct 2018 #64

Don't you tell me to calm down, how dare you! yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #67

No she can't. Absolutely NOTHING will change for those under rent control still_one Oct 2018 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author Stargleamer Oct 2018 #6

So municipalities should not be allowed to pass stronger rent control laws? DBoon Oct 2018 #10

Because you are against rent control? Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #22

Thank you... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #39

The California Democratic Party is saying YES on Prop 10 shanti Oct 2018 #123

I am baffled by the responses to this issue DBoon Oct 2018 #15

I. WILL. NOT. LIVE. LIKE THIS. yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #18

+10,000 Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #23

Then why are Gavin Newsom,an the NAACP, oppossed to it if it is so good for renters still_one Oct 2018 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #97

Local trade union associations are dominated by construction DBoon Oct 2018 #108

Actually I misstated, and need to edit my comment. Labor unions are for Proposition 10, and after I still_one Oct 2018 #134

Thank you! CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #135

Nothing will change for anyone who lives in an area currently under rent control. If someone is still_one Oct 2018 #138

Newsom says to vote YES not NO CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #133

It's pretty clear to me why the Democratic Party supports this. David__77 Oct 2018 #40

It baffles me too. Suddenly we are AGAINST rent control? Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #75

you should be baffled, yuiyoshida wants rent control for herself but doesn't want it for anyone else CreekDog Oct 2018 #112

They don't understand it and are being misled by the NO on Proposition 10 ads and editorials. still_one Oct 2018 #142

nust be nice to live off the high hog David__77 JuJuYoshida Oct 2018 #19

Quite the opposite if prop 10 fails. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #24

NO ON PROP 10!!! yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #25

The last paragraph in your snippet is revealing. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #47

The Chronicle is a Republican paper. RandySF Oct 2018 #57

Hearst is loving this CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #125

Indeed! David__77 Oct 2018 #32

I support allowing rent control. David__77 Oct 2018 #36

You say there are rats in your apartment, but you refuse to research alternative places to live? cwydro Oct 2018 #100

or she can sick the Health Dept. on the landlord CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #145

Prop 10 does not allow a landlord to increase rent flamingdem Oct 2018 #27

READ THIS yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #28

This is the usual pro-growth argument. There is no room for growth in flamingdem Oct 2018 #44

I appreciate your input on this yuiyoshida. I haven't had time to read everything, and there still_one Oct 2018 #29

Thank you... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #30

Labor isn't against 10. David__77 Oct 2018 #33

READ THIS yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #35

The Democratic Party and my local labor council supports it. David__77 Oct 2018 #37

ReAD POST #1 I have posted many NEWSPAPERS THAT SAY yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #41

I get that. The Democratic Party disagrees. David__77 Oct 2018 #42

I WANT FUCKING RENT CONTROL...i don't want my LANDLORD PUTTING ME OUT ON THE STREET yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #46

Sacramento cannot get rent control without this. David__77 Oct 2018 #51

RIGHT, YOU WANT *YOUR* RENT CONTROL, you don't want it for anyone else CreekDog Oct 2018 #113

First of all thank you for bringing this up. I am going to need to find out more about this. There still_one Oct 2018 #45

Thanks for the correction. I don't recall where I cam accross that. Let me ask you a question, still_one Oct 2018 #43

Well... David__77 Oct 2018 #49

So I think you are reading it the way I am, it is ambiguous in that regard. This is going to be a still_one Oct 2018 #59

Don't worry ... LenaBaby61 Oct 2018 #31

BLESS YOU... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #34

Why? Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #48

Your position is weird, you vote against rent control and pretend you're protecting CreekDog Oct 2018 #117

YES ON 10. I was virtually evicted becauae of the current laws. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #52

VOTE NO ON TEN!! yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #58

Yui, do you understand that the author here is arguing that RENT CONTROL IS BAD ... mr_lebowski Oct 2018 #104

Condo conversion is already an option for landlords RandySF Oct 2018 #53

Thank you. Incredible the level of fear mongering on the side of the no crowd. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #55

The San Francisco Tenants Union endorses 10 RandySF Oct 2018 #56

Yuiyoshida's arguments DonaldsRump Oct 2018 #60

BLESS You... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #61

Much appreciation to you, Yuiyoshida DonaldsRump Oct 2018 #62

The law prop 10 repeals was signed by repug pete wilson. Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #95

I was mobbed by three people outside of Ralph's and they all had the same prop to sign. BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #65

if you vote yes, and it passes.... yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #66

The CA Dem Party is saying to vote YES on Prop 10. stopbush Oct 2018 #68

PROP 10 FACTS yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #69

Why are you not providing the articles and opinions that support a YES vote on Prop 10 stopbush Oct 2018 #70

OH STOP, THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE IS NOT A RIGHT WING RAG yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #72

No, this is your stamping your feet and refusing to consider any alternative stopbush Oct 2018 #91

It doesn't even impact her ability to live in SF RandySF Oct 2018 #102

I agree jodymarie aimee Oct 2018 #129

Here's who is endorsing a YES vote on Prop 10: stopbush Oct 2018 #73

CAA warns that Prop 10 would cause exodus from rental market yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #77

The CA Apartment Association? Surely they're not worried that apartments stopbush Oct 2018 #82

VIDEO yuiyoshida Oct 2018 #84

You can post all the special interest crap you want. I'm not looking at it, stopbush Oct 2018 #88

Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #90

I have alerted on this response as being abusive. stopbush Oct 2018 #92

+1 RandySF Oct 2018 #85

I'm confused SoCalNative Oct 2018 #151

Bingo! stopbush Oct 2018 #152

Who are the CAA? RandySF Oct 2018 #96

Seems like a certain someone is being woefully misled ... (nt) mr_lebowski Oct 2018 #107

the CAA is also a top donor to the Republican Party CreekDog Oct 2018 #147

that is bullshit, just stop it. you live in San Francisco, where there is rent control CreekDog Oct 2018 #115

That is a super impressive and credible list of groups and organizations supporting YES on Prop 10 Pachamama Oct 2018 #79

You are in the same boat I am Pachamama. What bothers me most about this proposition as I read it still_one Oct 2018 #98

i'm editing my post because you reconsidered your thoughts CreekDog Oct 2018 #116

I do understand it now. The good news is that it will expand rent control throughout California. still_one Oct 2018 #118

I much prefer your second post here on this, but there is still one more issue CreekDog Oct 2018 #119

These groups all have one sinister objective in common DBoon Oct 2018 #105

Is that the short list? BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #109

Your landlord cannot raise the rent more than the 1.6% allowed by the Rent Board for 2018 RandySF Oct 2018 #83

Thanks Randy, that was some of the specifics I was looking for. I am somewhat curious how that still_one Oct 2018 #99

I cited this is well in my post CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #126

OP has it exactly backwards doxyluv13 Oct 2018 #103

I know the history behind Costa Hawkins DBoon Oct 2018 #106

Exactly right. I'll be voting for Proposition 10 CreekDog Oct 2018 #114

Yuiyoshida wants to keep her rent controlled apartment while voting against rent control for others CreekDog Oct 2018 #111

Actually I think you are being too harsh dog. I think it is a lack of understanding. If the OP still_one Oct 2018 #120

i will dial that post back a bit CreekDog Oct 2018 #121

Last night I spent a lot of time reading the ballot, unfortunately as you have implied there is a still_one Oct 2018 #122

Thank you so much for that. Please spread the word about what it actually does now that you know ) Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #128

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Oct 2018 #130

As a former renter in S.F. there was rent control already! CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #124

Excellent explanation!!! still_one Oct 2018 #143

You state you are disabled CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #127

VOTE YES ON PROPOSITION 10 OR I COULD TURN INTO A RHINOCEROS! Not kidding DBoon Oct 2018 #131

I am voting YES on 10, but I have to tell ya DBoon you are making it very tough because I really still_one Oct 2018 #140

We could use more rhinos (n/t) Retrograde Oct 2018 #144

PLEASE, listen to Yui. What she has posted is true. Tikki Oct 2018 #146

there can't be more rent control in California unless you vote FOR Prop. 10 CreekDog Oct 2018 #148

What part of renting our property below market do you not understand? Tikki Oct 2018 #149

voting against Prop. 10 makes you against rent control, it's very simple CreekDog Oct 2018 #153

+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #150

Ah ya the main sponsor, a Mr. Weinstein, aka perhaps, Mr. Scheister Extraordinaire. miyazaki Oct 2018 #154