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mvymvy

(309 posts)
24. Big City Realities
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 04:12 PM
Oct 2013

With National Popular Vote, big cities would not get all of candidates’ attention, much less control the outcome.
The population of the top five cities (New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston and Philadelphia) is only 6% of the population of the United States and the population of the top 50 cities (going as far down as Arlington, TX) is only 15% of the population of the United States.

Suburbs and exurbs often vote Republican.

If big cities controlled the outcome of elections, the governors and U.S. Senators would be Democratic in virtually every state with a significant city.

A nationwide presidential campaign, with every vote equal, would be run the way presidential candidates campaign to win the electoral votes of closely divided battleground states, such as Ohio and Florida, under the state-by-state winner-take-all methods. The big cities in those battleground states do not receive all the attention, much less control the outcome. Cleveland and Miami do not receive all the attention or control the outcome in Ohio and Florida.

The itineraries of presidential candidates in battleground states (and their allocation of other campaign resources in battleground states) reflect the political reality that every gubernatorial or senatorial candidate knows. When and where every vote is equal, a campaign must be run everywhere.

With National Popular Vote, when every vote is equal, everywhere, it makes sense for presidential candidates to try and elevate their votes where they are and aren't so well liked. But, under the state-by-state winner-take-all laws, it makes no sense for a Democrat to try and do that in Vermont or Wyoming, or for a Republican to try it in Wyoming or Vermont.

Even in California state-wide elections, candidates for governor or U.S. Senate don't campaign just in Los Angeles and San Francisco, and those places don't control the outcome (otherwise California wouldn't have recently had Republican governors Reagan, Dukemejian, Wilson, and Schwarzenegger). A vote in rural Alpine county is just an important as a vote in Los Angeles. If Los Angeles cannot control statewide elections in California, it can hardly control a nationwide election.

In fact, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose, and Oakland together cannot control a statewide election in California.

Similarly, Republicans dominate Texas politics without carrying big cities such as Dallas and Houston.

There are numerous other examples of Republicans who won races for governor and U.S. Senator in other states that have big cities (e.g., New York, Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Massachusetts) without ever carrying the big cities of their respective states.

With a national popular vote, every vote everywhere will be equally important politically. There will be nothing special about a vote cast in a big city or big state. When every vote is equal, candidates of both parties will seek out voters in small, medium, and large towns throughout the states in order to win. A vote cast in a big city or state will be equal to a vote cast in a small state, town, or rural area.

Candidates would need to build a winning coalition across demographics. Any candidate who ignored, for example, the 16% of Americans who live in rural areas in favor of a “big city” approach would not likely win the national popular vote. Candidates would have to appeal to a broad range of demographics, and perhaps even more so, because the election wouldn’t be capable of coming down to just one demographic, such as waitress mom voters in Ohio.

With National Popular Vote, every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections. Wining states would not be the goal. Candidates would need to care about voters across the nation, not just undecided voters in the current handful of swing states.

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Fl's districts are heavily gerrymandered... HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #1
Only way they could win is if votes for the change went under that rule. lark Oct 2013 #15
Downthread I made a correction. HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #17
fuckers, why am I not surprised gopiscrap Oct 2013 #2
I'm not surprised. HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #3
that was my point, neither am I gopiscrap Oct 2013 #4
Why do you think it might be harder than they think gopiscrap Oct 2013 #5
If its written into the state constitution (which I don't know if it is)... HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #7
thanks gopiscrap Oct 2013 #8
Actually, this could bite them two ways. lark Oct 2013 #16
Two years running in PA Cosmocat Oct 2013 #33
What does anybody expect? Turbineguy Oct 2013 #6
BUT IT CAN'T BE THEIR MESSAGE! pansypoo53219 Oct 2013 #9
Americans Support a National Popular Vote mvymvy Oct 2013 #10
They are dumb. HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #18
Small State Realities mvymvy Oct 2013 #23
Big City Realities mvymvy Oct 2013 #24
The two coasts zipplewrath Oct 2013 #34
10 States Received 99% of Campaign Attention in 2012 mvymvy Oct 2013 #35
A different 10 zipplewrath Oct 2013 #38
When and where every vote is equal, a campaign must be run everywhere mvymvy Oct 2013 #39
78% of Florida Voters Support a National Popular Vote mvymvy Oct 2013 #11
The National Popular Vote Bill - 50.4% toward going into effect mvymvy Oct 2013 #12
Well can't you see that's the last act of desperate men? bluesbassman Oct 2013 #13
Now that the Repuke-run states are so heavily gerrymandered, they AllyCat Oct 2013 #14
Changing demographics are against them... HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #19
What are the chances that this might actually pass? LongTomH Oct 2013 #20
Republicans have a super-majority in House and Senate. HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #28
They do not have super majorities anymore. We have picked up 6 House and 2 Senate Orlandodem Oct 2013 #29
tnx. I thought they still did. nt HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #30
Yet another attempt DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #21
They want to do that, then let's do it in all 50 states. tanyev Oct 2013 #22
I did some numbers jmowreader Oct 2013 #25
Candidate with most votes should win mvymvy Oct 2013 #36
Another example of.... Aviation Pro Oct 2013 #26
What would be BETTER DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #27
National Popular Vote Bill - 50.4% of the way to go into effect mvymvy Oct 2013 #37
Of course, Republicans will do all they can to stop it DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #40
Electoral College Would Still Exist with National Popular Vote Bill mvymvy Oct 2013 #41
Are they going to allow that for Texas? nt Deep13 Oct 2013 #31
GOP: We'll "win," one way or another. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #32
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