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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
13. It's not as though any Labour leader could have ousted Thatcher.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:36 AM
Jun 2016

And what would have been the point of beating her (even if it was possible to do so) on a "we can do it better" program?

It's not as though the people of the UK would have been better off having Callaghan and Healey, rather than Thatcher, selling off the family silver.

After all, it was Callaghan and Healey(the last of who had the decency to admit he was wrong on the matter shortly before he died) who largely caused Thatcher's victory by implementing proto-Thatcherite budget policies virtually the moment Callaghan entered Number 10?

If you spend three years brutally slashing the welfare state(the construction of which was the primary achievement of the previous Labour governments), you're not going to be able to credibly rally the faithful when you get forced into a snap election.

It needs to be asked:

1) If Labour can't even be the party that says "there will be no lost ground", what reason is there for the party to exist?

2) If Labour truly can't, at an absolute minimum hold the line on preserving the tiny pathetic remnants of the social wage, what else can it do that is of any value?

It's the absolute failure of the Labour Right to respond to those last two questions that created the Corbyn phenomenon. Sine it's now clear that Corbyn can't be forced out of the leadership before the next election, the Labour Right has an obligation, if for no other reason than to preserve its own relevance, to come up with some better

Winning elections didn't make me dislike Blair T_i_B May 2016 #1
I voted for Blair as Labour leader. Bad Dog May 2016 #2
If they go with that slogan, I might fly to the UK and campaign for Labour myself. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #6
It would set a nice precedent. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #8
Living in the North East, I heard Blair speak on numerous occasions before he was Leader ... non sociopath skin Jun 2016 #9
Neither Foot nor Kinnock made any impact on the electorate. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #10
It's not as though any Labour leader could have ousted Thatcher. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #13
Sounds like you don't want a Labour government of any complexion. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #15
I want a Labour government that doesn't treat Labour values as an embarrassment. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #19
I didn't vote for Corbyn. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #22
I'm glad you're willing to give Corbyn a chance now. And I don't TOTALLY disagree with you. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #23
I was prepared to give Corbyn a chance from the off. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #24
I have no sympathy for Blairism, but you may not realize quite how much damage Thatcherism did LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #20
Thatcher was horrific. Absolutely. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #21
Teflon Tony JawJaw May 2016 #3
Dangerous people, pacifist socialists. non sociopath skin May 2016 #4
No one's safe from not being killed by them. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #5
Labour never needed Blairism to win. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #7
Even without having the Murdoch press onside? Bad Dog Jun 2016 #11
Kinnock lost that election largely on personal unpopularity. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #12
I've not insisted on anything. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #14
Labour needs teamwork and competence to win T_i_B Jun 2016 #16
They do need teamwork and competence. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #17
It appears that Corbyn & Co aren't exactly blameless in this regard either T_i_B Jun 2016 #18
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