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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
14. Yvette Cooper could never be a left-wing prime minister
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:04 AM
Jun 2016

She was the second-most right wing candidate(after Liz Kendall) in the leadership race.

Moreover, if she(or Burnham) becomes leader, they will prevent the restoration of internal democracy...and if the party retains a Blair designed leadership, if the party conference is kept powerless, it will be impossible for Labour to do anything radical or even mildly left-of-center in government.

A Labour government can only be worth electing if ordinary party members have a say in what the party stands for again.

No Blairite politician cares about workers or the poor.

You can't care about workers and the poor and argue that Labour must accept the budget charter and the benefits cap(i.e., if you agree that Labour must agree not to use the only tools any government has at its disposal to help the powerless). You can't care about workers and the poor if you still insist on keeping Thatcher's anti-worker laws(laws that made unions helpless against the management onslaught that has never stopped since the Eighties.

You can't care about those groups if you think the party should be run solely by an cynical, unaccountable, principle-free elite that cares only about what the forces to Labour's right want.


Blairism has nothing to offer and no one in the UK want Labour to reduce itself to Blairism again. The center ground is a soulless, passionless dead zone now. Everyone knows now that social an economic justice can't coexist with market values and that no use of military force can ever have progressive or humane results again(as the total failure of the bombing campaign in Syria to do anything at all to stop ISIS has demonstrated.

If Labour is not to be a member-controlled party, if it is not to be an anti-austerity party(it couldn't be anti-austerity under any of the leaders you have said you prefer) it can't be worth having...because if it can't be those things, Labour has no reason to exist.

"Not quite as brutal" isn't anything. Neither is "We will cut slightly less".

Scottish independence is a given if they secede, no? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1
EU withdrawal does make a second Scottish referendum a much greater possibility. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #2
They can't hav a snap election without Labour wanting it muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #3
... Ironing Man Jun 2016 #4
Best thing Corbyn can do is resign T_i_B Jun 2016 #5
Well, unenthusiastic support of the EU was probably the only decent position. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #8
Wrong T_i_B Jun 2016 #9
There was no way to campaign passionately for Remain Ken Burch Jun 2016 #23
As somebody who actually did campaign for remain T_i_B Jun 2016 #24
Corbyn's problem in campaigning on this Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #10
To be honest, nothing is going to be anyone's 'sole responsibility'. Except maybe the RW media's. LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #6
I agree that this involves far more than internal party politics. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #7
The leadership challenge suggests that something good may come of it. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #11
People seem to have forgotten that the next major act in the political circus Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #13
Perhaps that is why the Blairites are so obsessed with getting rid of Cornbyn now. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #21
Something similar had occurred to me since I wrote that. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #22
Yvette Cooper could never be a left-wing prime minister Ken Burch Jun 2016 #14
In no sense of the word could Corbyn have been said to have campaigned well. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #12
And replace him with a leader who stands for nothing. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #15
Yes, one could tell the difference LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #16
It would reduce a lot of the suspicion and trust about the anti-Corbynites Ken Burch Jun 2016 #17
Hopefully Corbyn is gone by next week and replaced with a leader who can campaign credibly Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #18
Agree 100% T_i_B Jun 2016 #19
The problem is, the two people most talked about as anti-Corbyn leadership candidates Ken Burch Jun 2016 #20
Utter rubbish T_i_B Jun 2016 #25
If those people had any strong principles, the rebels wouldn't want them. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #26
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