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Denzil_DC

(7,240 posts)
31. It depends what you mean by
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jun 2016

"Israel's right to exist". I certainly don't agree with its right to exist by fragmenting Palestine to the point where it can no longer function. My objections - and Corbyn's - are shared by quite a number on the Israeli left and the saner members of their society.

I'm not interested in a deep discussion about that here, because in my experience, debating it with Americans online is a waste of time, which is why I doubt you'll see me mentioning it at all in the years since 2008, when I joined, up to now.

And you persist in that horrible anti-Corbyn slur, which means I'm even more convinced my decision in that is right.

Blairite forces are behind the attempted coup. That's not all that's happening. The timing is also because the vast majority of the PLP never wanted him as leader and have been itching for a Corbyn "failure" as an excuse to trigger concerted calls for his resignation since his election, and they all fell flat in the past because he unexpectedly kept winning by-elections etc. (in the same sense he'd have been held responsible if they'd lost).

Corbyn was on the right side of history about Iraq, however else you question his judgement. He wanted to apologize for Labour's part in it when he got elected leader, but postponed that till after the report was released. He's said that Blair should stand trial for war crimes if the report indicates that's appropriate (unlikely from what I've heard in advance, but we'll see how the media spin it as they're out for labour blood right now).

The major figures on the right of the PLP are either implicated in the Labour government in power at the time or think they did "the right thing" and have consistently opposed any inquiry, including Chilcot.

I've joined some dots about all this. I may not be right, but it's a widespread suspicion.

When referring to the stoppers and the entryists its pretty accurate. RogueTrooper Jun 2016 #1
It's not activists being livid, it's right-wing Labour MPs Ken Burch Jun 2016 #2
Well, I know a lot of Labour Party activists RogueTrooper Jun 2016 #3
It wasn't possible to make passionate pro-Remain speeches Ken Burch Jun 2016 #4
Yes it was possible T_i_B Jun 2016 #17
Then you'd be ok with John McDonnell taking over as leader? Ken Burch Jun 2016 #21
Explained that to you here: Spider Jerusalem Jul 2016 #39
Then the "rebels" should issue a statement along the lines of the OP I posted here: Ken Burch Jul 2016 #40
No, they shouldn't Spider Jerusalem Jul 2016 #41
Corbyn took 49.9% of full party members on first-preference votes Ken Burch Jul 2016 #42
And according to polling in the last week... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2016 #43
Agreed Dworkin Jul 2016 #38
Yes, it's perfectly possible LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #18
"I think Corbyn needs to follow the same nomination rules as any other candidate." Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #5
I have more respect for Burnham now that I know he's steering clear of this. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #6
I'm not stupid. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #7
Obviously that would be in his calculations. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #10
I'm not saying it's a bad thing! Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #11
Agreed. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #22
Something needed to be done he's inept and needs to be got rid of. RogueTrooper Jun 2016 #8
Anyone the rebels would approve would make sure internal party democracy was never restored. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #9
Show me the legitimate legal advice Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #12
That's how we Blairites like to roll... RogueTrooper Jun 2016 #14
Thanks for revealing your true colours! Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #15
I didn't support the Iraq War RogueTrooper Jun 2016 #25
"Technically" is going to be up for debate all over again in the next few days, Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #27
The war should have never happened but that does mean it was illegal RogueTrooper Jun 2016 #28
The war was based on lies and deception, and totally wrong LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #29
It depends what you mean by Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #31
Jeremy Corbyn is not an antisemite. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author RogueTrooper Jun 2016 #26
I'm going to ask our mod team to URGENTLY consider whether your contributions Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #32
Okay, I respect your opinion and I will respect their view on the matter. RogueTrooper Jun 2016 #33
I've just had a chat with a mod Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #34
It's just sheer chaos and panic-stations all round LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #19
And ... Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #13
Cameron is getting to remind me of Gilbert and Sullivan's song about the Duke of Plaza-Toro LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #20
Come to think of it, that might apply even more to Boris! LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #30
So the latest scuttlebutt is that the chosen stalking horse against Corbyn Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #23
We could say "The Eagles have landed". Ken Burch Jun 2016 #24
For some odd reason, the day before Hilary Benn was sacked Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #35
Funny thing, that. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #36
Good catch! (n/t) Nihil Jul 2016 #37
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