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Ken Burch

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3. Then it was Straw's son who was to blame for the Leave victory.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 04:25 PM
Sep 2016

It wasn't Corbyn's fault that Stronger In ran a terrible, elitist campaign that never addressed the legitimate economic concerns working-class voters in the North and Northeast had about the austerity kept in place in their region by the Tory/New Labour "consensus" AND by the EU. If they had run a campaign on the theme "Remain and Rebel&quot that is, that they would stay in but fight like hell to get the EU to stop imposing low-employment, low-benefit, high inequality economics in cahoots with the British right), Remain MIGHT have won. Instead, the Remain campaign was nothing but "If you vote Leave, you're a bigot". There is nothing Corbyn could have done to overcome the fatally flawed Remain strategy of saying "everything is just fine as it is", and everyone knows it.

Basically, Corbyn is being vilified for not lying.

And it is obscene that, after all these years, Jack Straw, a man who helped remove everything Labour from the Labour Party and ended up abandoning everything he had ever believed in in his youth, would still be trying to defend the Iraq War(as I understand it, that was the OTHER half of the reason for the anti-Corbyn putsch: to make sure that, by the time Chilcot was released, the party would once again be led by an apologist for the war and that that apologist would lead a unified Labour front bench attack on Chilcot).

And all the Canary is guilty of is being supportive of a good man who is under totally undeserved attack by his own party's current MPs (most of whom only have their seats because Kinnock or Blair imposed them as candidates against the will of their own constituency parties and most of whom I sincerely believe would have joined Ramsay MacDonald in crossing the floor to serve in the Tory-controlled National Government if they'd had seats in the house in 1931), a group that cares more about keeping their own sect in control of the party then they do in getting Theresa May out of 10 Downing Street.

The PLP haven't listened to the vast majority of their own party's paid members. They've shown no respect for the opinions or ideals of that majority(and I strongly suspect would like to expel at least 250,000 of them) and never gave Jeremy a chance as leader, having briefed against him in a coordinated effort planned by Portland Communications from the moment he took over. They never offered any real compromise with Corbyn and those who back him-they never committed to making sure that internal party democracy be restored, that constituency parties be given control over who is nominated as prospective parliamentary candidates, or that the party conference be given real policy-making powers again. All they offered was to give Corbyn himself as meaningless, irrelevant position as "party president&quot in which, he'd have had no say in policy and would simply have been expected to try to push his supporters into unquestioningly accepting the return of Third Way policies).

The story told the truth(and it is sickening that Straw is still on a "old chum" basis with Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice, people who were among the architects of the Middle East military interventions that still, to this day, haven't stopped). Straw was glad that the Leave victory might take people's minds off of his crimes. Why would you bother defending anyone like that?

If Labour loses badly in 2020, it is solely the fault of the PLP and the Blairites. Just as in 1981, the party is in crisis because a discredited right-wing minority refuses to accept the democratic decision of the party as to who should lead it.

If(as is likely)Jeremy wins the leadership again, those people will have an obligation to accept his victory and work with him to unify the party. I doubt that they will behave like that, that they will act as small-d democrats-they believe that they are Labour and no one else is, and they believe they are entitled to treat the party as their own personal fiefdom, on policies chosen by them and whoever they prefer as leader, and with the majority of the party having no say at all.

The actual email is published below: Ken Burch Sep 2016 #1
So the Canary is distorting things? T_i_B Sep 2016 #2
Then it was Straw's son who was to blame for the Leave victory. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #3
Wrong again T_i_B Sep 2016 #4
I forgot another major gripe with "Stronger In"! T_i_B Sep 2016 #5
It's often the people at the top of any electoral effort who are the least responsive to feedback. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #7
Actually, much of my feedback was taken on board T_i_B Sep 2016 #9
There's no such thing as "the Corbyn cult". Ken Burch Sep 2016 #6
Actually, the Lib Dems are winning by elections round here.... T_i_B Sep 2016 #8
Momentum have had to fight a defensive campaign simply to keep Corbyn in the job Ken Burch Sep 2016 #10
No excuse for not looking beyond the leadership contest T_i_B Sep 2016 #11
Corbynites aren't doing party infighting. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #12
Telling more porkies about the problem won't fix anything T_i_B Sep 2016 #13
They have to devote themselves to keeping Jeremy as leader. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #14
Wriggle as you might on Straw's behalf and attempt to smear the messenger, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #15
Looking at what's been happening local to me... T_i_B Sep 2016 #16
Well, for a start, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #17
This is undeniably an issue T_i_B Sep 2016 #18
You keep saying, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #19
Didn't realise Bristol was local to you! T_i_B Sep 2016 #20
In all seriousness though... T_i_B Sep 2016 #21
The new (more Corbyn-friendly) entry to the NEC don't take office till conference. Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #22
Trouble is, I can see the writing on the wall T_i_B Sep 2016 #23
Nope. Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #24
About the only chance Scottish Labour has of recovering anytime in the next two decades Ken Burch Sep 2016 #25
There are many reasons why Scottish Labour's in such a state. Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #26
The SNP's new membership RogueTrooper Sep 2016 #27
Chris McEleny, the only candidate from a local government background, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #28
The SNP does vigorously police its new left wing brand RogueTrooper Sep 2016 #29
I wouldn't have voted for the SNP nationally Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #30
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