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Ken Burch

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10. Momentum have had to fight a defensive campaign simply to keep Corbyn in the job
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 07:48 PM
Sep 2016

Last edited Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:40 PM - Edit history (1)

And they have been joined by the overwhelming majority of the party in having to fight it.

That is naturally going to take up all of their time and energy at the present.

They have no alternative but to do so.

If Corbyn were deposed, all radicalism and all idealism would be banished from the party(and if they are expelled, there won't be any left factions in Labour that aren't powerless and irrelevant. There would just be Tribune, and Tribune will never have any real say in what Labour stands for). Therefore, Momentum had only two options: fight to stop Corbyn's ouster, or give up on working for socialism for the rest of their lives.

If the PLP had simply done the democratic thing and said "Ok, we didn't want this guy, but most of the party does, so we'll rally 'round him and unite the party for victory", Momentum(a group that has never deserved the treatment the anti-Corbynites mete out to it, since it is made up mainly of good, decent people of all ages who are working to change life for the better and it is truly weird to act as if there is something unhealthy and illegitimate in doing that)would have been able to spend the last year organising a strong grassroots movement for victory. Instead, they have had to battle just to keep Labour from showing them the door. The LibDems in your area haven't faced any hurdles remotely comparable to that(and it wouldn't surprise me if some Labour right types aren't secretly helping them in the name of making Corbyn look bad.

The most absurd thing is, if Owen were chosen as leader, he would not only instantly move to expel Momentum and scrap Corbyn's revival of internal party democracy(something that has to happen if Labour is ever to make a comeback, for without internal democracy Labour will never again offer the voters a compelling program for change)he would then, after not only doing that AND making sure the party manifesto is sectarian Blairite, DEMAND that everyone on the left vote Labour "to get the Tories out". What he doesn't realize is that he will have no right to demand that, and the Tories will be guaranteed a landslide because of how hollow his plea will ring.

The actual email is published below: Ken Burch Sep 2016 #1
So the Canary is distorting things? T_i_B Sep 2016 #2
Then it was Straw's son who was to blame for the Leave victory. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #3
Wrong again T_i_B Sep 2016 #4
I forgot another major gripe with "Stronger In"! T_i_B Sep 2016 #5
It's often the people at the top of any electoral effort who are the least responsive to feedback. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #7
Actually, much of my feedback was taken on board T_i_B Sep 2016 #9
There's no such thing as "the Corbyn cult". Ken Burch Sep 2016 #6
Actually, the Lib Dems are winning by elections round here.... T_i_B Sep 2016 #8
Momentum have had to fight a defensive campaign simply to keep Corbyn in the job Ken Burch Sep 2016 #10
No excuse for not looking beyond the leadership contest T_i_B Sep 2016 #11
Corbynites aren't doing party infighting. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #12
Telling more porkies about the problem won't fix anything T_i_B Sep 2016 #13
They have to devote themselves to keeping Jeremy as leader. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #14
Wriggle as you might on Straw's behalf and attempt to smear the messenger, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #15
Looking at what's been happening local to me... T_i_B Sep 2016 #16
Well, for a start, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #17
This is undeniably an issue T_i_B Sep 2016 #18
You keep saying, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #19
Didn't realise Bristol was local to you! T_i_B Sep 2016 #20
In all seriousness though... T_i_B Sep 2016 #21
The new (more Corbyn-friendly) entry to the NEC don't take office till conference. Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #22
Trouble is, I can see the writing on the wall T_i_B Sep 2016 #23
Nope. Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #24
About the only chance Scottish Labour has of recovering anytime in the next two decades Ken Burch Sep 2016 #25
There are many reasons why Scottish Labour's in such a state. Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #26
The SNP's new membership RogueTrooper Sep 2016 #27
Chris McEleny, the only candidate from a local government background, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #28
The SNP does vigorously police its new left wing brand RogueTrooper Sep 2016 #29
I wouldn't have voted for the SNP nationally Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #30
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