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Denzil_DC

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15. Wriggle as you might on Straw's behalf and attempt to smear the messenger,
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:53 PM
Sep 2016

Straw did, in his own words, regard the "distraction" of the Brexit vote as being helpful because it would "reduce medium term attention on Chilcot". Given the damning nature of the findings, and the mess and loss of life in the aftermath of decisions by the regime Straw was a prominent part of, his immediate concern about "the day of publication being uncomfortable" is typically self-serving - not that there are lessons to be learned there, nor that he shares responsibility for perverting our polity and the widely predicted outcome. Straw is the ultimate cynical politician.

As for your other comments raking over yet again who should have done more during the Brexit campaign, this summarizes how effective interventions by any political figures were:



I've speculated before now on how much anti-establishment/anti-status quo nihilism played a part in the vote. It looks like it's a good job certain figures in Remain didn't do more, as they were motivating more Leave voters than Remain ones and the majority might have ended up being larger.

Imagining anyone could turn around the effects of the overwhelming decades-long anti-EU media propaganda/mythology campaign in just a few weeks is unrealistic, especially as it was in full cry and crescendo during the short campaign.

It's also grimly amusing that you accuse Momentum and its allies of being preoccupied with infighting rather than campaigning! Maybe they'll be in a better position to focus on campaigning when they're not wondering whether they'll be expelled from the Labour Party on an NEC whim at any moment. I've lost count of the number of old stagers with many years of solid Labour membership, and in many cases no connection with Momentum, who've been purged in the run-up to the vote, never mind whole CLPs being suspended, and that's all continuing. Here's an ironic example of the shambles that is the current NEC:

Andrew Godsell
?@AndrewGodsell

Received an email today from @UKLabour asking if I can help in Witney By-Election - sorry but you have suspended me #LabourPurge2 #DodgyDave
The actual email is published below: Ken Burch Sep 2016 #1
So the Canary is distorting things? T_i_B Sep 2016 #2
Then it was Straw's son who was to blame for the Leave victory. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #3
Wrong again T_i_B Sep 2016 #4
I forgot another major gripe with "Stronger In"! T_i_B Sep 2016 #5
It's often the people at the top of any electoral effort who are the least responsive to feedback. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #7
Actually, much of my feedback was taken on board T_i_B Sep 2016 #9
There's no such thing as "the Corbyn cult". Ken Burch Sep 2016 #6
Actually, the Lib Dems are winning by elections round here.... T_i_B Sep 2016 #8
Momentum have had to fight a defensive campaign simply to keep Corbyn in the job Ken Burch Sep 2016 #10
No excuse for not looking beyond the leadership contest T_i_B Sep 2016 #11
Corbynites aren't doing party infighting. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #12
Telling more porkies about the problem won't fix anything T_i_B Sep 2016 #13
They have to devote themselves to keeping Jeremy as leader. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #14
Wriggle as you might on Straw's behalf and attempt to smear the messenger, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #15
Looking at what's been happening local to me... T_i_B Sep 2016 #16
Well, for a start, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #17
This is undeniably an issue T_i_B Sep 2016 #18
You keep saying, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #19
Didn't realise Bristol was local to you! T_i_B Sep 2016 #20
In all seriousness though... T_i_B Sep 2016 #21
The new (more Corbyn-friendly) entry to the NEC don't take office till conference. Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #22
Trouble is, I can see the writing on the wall T_i_B Sep 2016 #23
Nope. Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #24
About the only chance Scottish Labour has of recovering anytime in the next two decades Ken Burch Sep 2016 #25
There are many reasons why Scottish Labour's in such a state. Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #26
The SNP's new membership RogueTrooper Sep 2016 #27
Chris McEleny, the only candidate from a local government background, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #28
The SNP does vigorously police its new left wing brand RogueTrooper Sep 2016 #29
I wouldn't have voted for the SNP nationally Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #30
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