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In reply to the discussion: Thank goodness I'm not a member of UNITE.... [View all]Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If someone loudly identifies as a "Labour moderate" a grouping that has become more sectarian than Trotskyism these days) , if that person wants to keep internal democracy suspended(as all of them do), if that person want to keep Thatcher's anti-union laws, if that person blames immigrants and not capitalism for unemployment, supports the benefits cap, supports a balanced budget above all else, still backs PFI, finds nationalizing the railroads unthinkable, opposes any significant increases in tax on the wealthy...well, in what ways could that person fight for working people at all? What differences could that person have with the Tories that are still even perceptible(and don't say LGBTQ rights...last I heard, even the Tories back those nowadays)?
I'm not disputing which party Mr. Umunna is a paid member of. I suppose I question why he is part of that organization, given that he doesn't seem to support anything that organization historically stands for.
And it's a fair question if Mr. Umunna and those allied with him are doing the party any good by being scorched-opponents of its current leader and by fighting to keep internal democracy suppressed? The man is a Labour MP, but it's hard to understand why, given that his whole political project seems to be to strip Labour of any semblance of its historical convictions.
If he got his way and Corbyn did just resign, with his successor to be chosen in a contest in which only people on the party's right-wing were permitted to stand(we can assume no one other than a Blairite would get enough MP nominations to make the ballot), how could whoever "won" in such a contest ever pull the party together and manage to win support among the electorate by 2020?
How could such a person win when we can assume that whoever it was would expel all Corbyn supporters(which means giving 250,000 people the boot) and impose a bland, poor-bashing, prowar policy offer from above? It goes without saying that no proposals any anti-Corbyn leader could offer could possibly be relevant to the UK's problems in 2020. And it goes without saying that there's no way Labour can win if everyone who wants it to be a party of radical change is crushed.
None of this is aimed at you(please don't take what I'm posting here personally), I just can't see anything good coming from what Chuka or Alan Johnson or Angela Eagle or any of the other anti-Corbynites are continuing to do.
If people like Chuka Umunna HAVE to keep trying to depose Corbyn, why don't they at least, at LEAST, stop making their fight against him a fight against his supporters and everything they support? Why don't they listen to them, try to understand what it is that animates them, and at least try to meet them halfway, rather than simply trying to erase them? Don't you ever find the ugliness and the arrogance of their approach troubling?
Do you honestly believe they COULD kick all of theses people out, move the party massively to the right as they were trying to do before the 2015 leadership election, and then still find some possible way to get left-of-center people to think electing a Labour government was in any sense worth doing?