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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
5. It's not about "ideological purity", it's about who you fight for.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 06:04 PM
Jan 2017

If someone loudly identifies as a "Labour moderate&quot a grouping that has become more sectarian than Trotskyism these days) , if that person wants to keep internal democracy suspended(as all of them do), if that person want to keep Thatcher's anti-union laws, if that person blames immigrants and not capitalism for unemployment, supports the benefits cap, supports a balanced budget above all else, still backs PFI, finds nationalizing the railroads unthinkable, opposes any significant increases in tax on the wealthy...well, in what ways could that person fight for working people at all? What differences could that person have with the Tories that are still even perceptible(and don't say LGBTQ rights...last I heard, even the Tories back those nowadays)?

I'm not disputing which party Mr. Umunna is a paid member of. I suppose I question why he is part of that organization, given that he doesn't seem to support anything that organization historically stands for.

And it's a fair question if Mr. Umunna and those allied with him are doing the party any good by being scorched-opponents of its current leader and by fighting to keep internal democracy suppressed? The man is a Labour MP, but it's hard to understand why, given that his whole political project seems to be to strip Labour of any semblance of its historical convictions.

If he got his way and Corbyn did just resign, with his successor to be chosen in a contest in which only people on the party's right-wing were permitted to stand(we can assume no one other than a Blairite would get enough MP nominations to make the ballot), how could whoever "won" in such a contest ever pull the party together and manage to win support among the electorate by 2020?

How could such a person win when we can assume that whoever it was would expel all Corbyn supporters(which means giving 250,000 people the boot) and impose a bland, poor-bashing, prowar policy offer from above? It goes without saying that no proposals any anti-Corbyn leader could offer could possibly be relevant to the UK's problems in 2020. And it goes without saying that there's no way Labour can win if everyone who wants it to be a party of radical change is crushed.

None of this is aimed at you(please don't take what I'm posting here personally), I just can't see anything good coming from what Chuka or Alan Johnson or Angela Eagle or any of the other anti-Corbynites are continuing to do.

If people like Chuka Umunna HAVE to keep trying to depose Corbyn, why don't they at least, at LEAST, stop making their fight against him a fight against his supporters and everything they support? Why don't they listen to them, try to understand what it is that animates them, and at least try to meet them halfway, rather than simply trying to erase them? Don't you ever find the ugliness and the arrogance of their approach troubling?

Do you honestly believe they COULD kick all of theses people out, move the party massively to the right as they were trying to do before the 2015 leadership election, and then still find some possible way to get left-of-center people to think electing a Labour government was in any sense worth doing?

Well, anything Chuka Umunna does is about trying to make Labour stand for nothing at all Ken Burch Jan 2017 #1
If this is how Unite treat other people in the Labour movement... T_i_B Jan 2017 #2
I didn't support what McCluskey did. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #3
Wrong T_i_B Jan 2017 #4
It's not about "ideological purity", it's about who you fight for. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #5
So you are supporting McCluskey's actions then. T_i_B Feb 2017 #6
No, I'm not supporting McCluskey's actions Ken Burch Feb 2017 #7
This is not about Corbyn, Umunna or McCluskey but about Remain/Leave and the RIGHT to fight against LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #8
As I said, I'd have voted Remain. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #9
Because at the moment leaving the EU is inextricably intertwined with anti-immigrant, racist policy LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Feb 2017 #11
Was this post intended for me? LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #12
I should have sent it to the person who started this thread Ken Burch Feb 2017 #13
I was responding specifically to your remark LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #16
Two things I think came into play with what McCluskey did(I don't support suspensions, period) Ken Burch Feb 2017 #14
Thank f**k you aren't my union rep T_i_B Feb 2017 #15
Is there any way to improve matters for UNITE's members.. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #17
The answer is by building coalitions T_i_B Feb 2017 #18
The members of the PLP who still want Corbyn out aren't PART of the left, though Ken Burch Feb 2017 #19
They absolutly are 100% part of the left T_i_B Feb 2017 #20
I've got nothing against Clive Lewis. Clive Lewis supports Jeremy as leader. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #21
Unite HQ Dworkin Feb 2017 #22
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