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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
9. As I said, I'd have voted Remain.
Sat Feb 4, 2017, 07:28 PM
Feb 2017

It's horrible to see this happening.

Not sure why you'd compare fighting for continued EU membership to opposing the Iraq war or fighting for civil rights. Leaving the EU is bad, but it's far from equivalent to Jim Crow or what the US and UK did to the Arab/Muslim world. And especially not
when(unlike the campaigns against Jim Crow in the US, apartheid in South Africa, and the unwinnable wars in Vietnam, Central America and Iraq/Afghanistan) the only possible outcome is a large gain in seats for UKIP?

And is there any way to create the conditions for any sort of progressive electoral victory by doing so?

All Corbyn was guilty of was admitting, during the referendum campaign, that people had legitimate grievances about the EU, especially about the economic consequences EU membership has had on the North and Northeast. If EU membership had created prosperity in those regions, Leave would never have had a chance.

But creating prosperity in the North and the Northeast would require state intervention in the economy, because the "free market" will always be trying to grind that part of the UK into the dirt for the crimes heavy trade union membership and die-hard opposition to Thatcherism.

What I think Corbyn is trying to do here is to save the best of the EU tie(ease of travel and the anti-discrimination policies) yet create the space for a future UK government to bring in anti-austerity economic policies. That is, he's trying to do what you want but simply using different tactics and trying to get Labour out of the constraints imposed by staying strictly in the Leave/Remain duality
Can you suggest any way to fight austerity and for workers' rights AND fight for continued membership in an institution that will never allow anyone any space for doing so? That would be the best possible way, but how could it be possible?

Well, anything Chuka Umunna does is about trying to make Labour stand for nothing at all Ken Burch Jan 2017 #1
If this is how Unite treat other people in the Labour movement... T_i_B Jan 2017 #2
I didn't support what McCluskey did. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #3
Wrong T_i_B Jan 2017 #4
It's not about "ideological purity", it's about who you fight for. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #5
So you are supporting McCluskey's actions then. T_i_B Feb 2017 #6
No, I'm not supporting McCluskey's actions Ken Burch Feb 2017 #7
This is not about Corbyn, Umunna or McCluskey but about Remain/Leave and the RIGHT to fight against LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #8
As I said, I'd have voted Remain. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #9
Because at the moment leaving the EU is inextricably intertwined with anti-immigrant, racist policy LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Feb 2017 #11
Was this post intended for me? LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #12
I should have sent it to the person who started this thread Ken Burch Feb 2017 #13
I was responding specifically to your remark LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #16
Two things I think came into play with what McCluskey did(I don't support suspensions, period) Ken Burch Feb 2017 #14
Thank f**k you aren't my union rep T_i_B Feb 2017 #15
Is there any way to improve matters for UNITE's members.. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #17
The answer is by building coalitions T_i_B Feb 2017 #18
The members of the PLP who still want Corbyn out aren't PART of the left, though Ken Burch Feb 2017 #19
They absolutly are 100% part of the left T_i_B Feb 2017 #20
I've got nothing against Clive Lewis. Clive Lewis supports Jeremy as leader. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #21
Unite HQ Dworkin Feb 2017 #22
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