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Ken Burch

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19. The members of the PLP who still want Corbyn out aren't PART of the left, though
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 03:14 PM
Feb 2017

They want Labour to go back to where it was heading before the 2015 leadership vote-to the RIGHT of Tony Blair.

These were the people who wanted the party to endorse the benefits cap and the budget charter, while keeping Thatcher's anti-worker laws in place.

Can you not see that if Labour did those things, it could never do anything compassionate or pro-worker or pro-human decency again once in office? That those policies would commit Labour to the permanent austerity policies that have made every social democratic party on the European mainland unelectable? The policies that turned all of those parties into enemies of the labour movement in their countries?

That's why McCluskey would have no patience with his deputy doing these things. He was wrong to suspend the guy, but would you really expect McCluskey to be cool with him giving aid and comfort to people with no positive intent, people whose only motivation is to make Labour indistinguishable from the Tories on all major issues?

Ask yourself this...if Liz Kendall had won the leadership, could you think of any good reason for any union in the UK, or anyone there who cared about progressive change of any sort, to even bother to work to try to elect a Labour government with her as the leader? This matters because Kendall is the person most of the PLP wanted as leader.

Well, anything Chuka Umunna does is about trying to make Labour stand for nothing at all Ken Burch Jan 2017 #1
If this is how Unite treat other people in the Labour movement... T_i_B Jan 2017 #2
I didn't support what McCluskey did. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #3
Wrong T_i_B Jan 2017 #4
It's not about "ideological purity", it's about who you fight for. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #5
So you are supporting McCluskey's actions then. T_i_B Feb 2017 #6
No, I'm not supporting McCluskey's actions Ken Burch Feb 2017 #7
This is not about Corbyn, Umunna or McCluskey but about Remain/Leave and the RIGHT to fight against LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #8
As I said, I'd have voted Remain. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #9
Because at the moment leaving the EU is inextricably intertwined with anti-immigrant, racist policy LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Feb 2017 #11
Was this post intended for me? LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #12
I should have sent it to the person who started this thread Ken Burch Feb 2017 #13
I was responding specifically to your remark LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #16
Two things I think came into play with what McCluskey did(I don't support suspensions, period) Ken Burch Feb 2017 #14
Thank f**k you aren't my union rep T_i_B Feb 2017 #15
Is there any way to improve matters for UNITE's members.. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #17
The answer is by building coalitions T_i_B Feb 2017 #18
The members of the PLP who still want Corbyn out aren't PART of the left, though Ken Burch Feb 2017 #19
They absolutly are 100% part of the left T_i_B Feb 2017 #20
I've got nothing against Clive Lewis. Clive Lewis supports Jeremy as leader. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #21
Unite HQ Dworkin Feb 2017 #22
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