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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
14. The Labour Party bureaucracy suspended or expelled over 125,000 people
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 07:20 PM
Feb 2017

during the 2016 leadership revote.

Virtually all of those who were suspended or expelled were Corbyn supporters.

They did this because they're in league with the Labour MPs, most of whom, before Jeremy Corbyn was overwhelmingly elected leader, were trying to push the party to the right of the program on which it fought and lost the 2015 election...and there were no major issues on which Labour could move to the right of that program without simply agreeing to the entire Tory manifesto.

The MPs wanted the party to support almost as many cuts in benefit as the Tories, wanted to fully back the Tory benefits sanctions regime(in which benefits claimants, including the severely disabled and housebound, are required to repeatedly prove they should be ON benefits, and are required to travel to the benefits office to do so, even if they ARE severely disabled, housebound, even if they are paralyzed and incontinent as a result of their disability).

The MPs also wanted the party to continue its commitment to preserving Thatcher's anti-worker laws, to support punitive anti-immigrant measures, and to back the bombing of Syria, even though it is impossible for such bombing to have any positive results.

They want to preserve the complete lack of internal party democracy and grassroots control over party policy imposed by Tony Blair-despite the fact that there is no longer any such reason for such iron-fisted control from the top.

They've refused to ever accept the Corbyn's election as leader, even though the party rank-and-file has twice elected him to the post by landslide margins...the second time by an increased margins.

Finally they persist in making the absurd claim that anyone who supports Corbyn or supports any significantly radical policies at all, is a Trotskyist...this despite the fact that in the UK, Trotskyists are the least effective and most hated people on any part of the left-of-center political spectrum.

Even if Corbyn himself has flaws, wouldn't you agree that that kind of arrogance from the MPs and this sort of ugly and anti-democratic tactics need to stop?

Jeremy isn't an ego-driven figure...the reason he has insisted on staying on is that there's no guarantee, if he just stood down, that anyone to the left of Tony Blair would be put on the leadership ballot(the Labour MPs, most of whom are massively to the right of the Labour rank-and-file, control access to that ballot).

At this point, all they've ever offered to Corbyn, in exchange for standing down, is a meaningless and irrelevant job a "party president"-a position in which it goes without saying he would have no say in policy and would be expected to unquestioningly support every punitive, vindictive move the "moderates" ever made against the Left.

This is why he has stayed on, in my view...he's being asked to betray his supporters and acquiesce in their silencing. That's not a reasonable request to make of anyone.

The issue should simply be the leader...not his supporters and not what they stand for.

This matters, because if Corbyn's supporters were all driven away or silenced, it goes without saying that Labour would never stand for anything different than the Tories again-and would never be worth anyone's support again.

k & r n/t TubbersUK Feb 2017 #1
The guy just keeps on lying SwissTony Feb 2017 #2
Didn't take long.... T_i_B Feb 2017 #3
He seems to be a truly pathological liar... LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #4
Nuttall. Nutter. Same thing. nt mwooldri Feb 2017 #5
Hopefully this will destroy his chances in the by-election. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #6
Two Ukip chairmen in Merseyside quit over Hillsborough row muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #7
This is why anti-Corbyn efforts should have stopped for at least the duration of the by-elections Ken Burch Feb 2017 #8
Hate was beaten in Stoke Ken Burch Feb 2017 #9
Nuttall didn't lose because he's a bigot T_i_B Feb 2017 #10
No they lost because the people of that district did not feel comfortable with Corbyn. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #11
If they want Corbyn out, his opponents in the party should stop trying to dispossess his supporters. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #12
Well I think the party should be an open party in terms of who can run but Corbyn is not hrmjustin Feb 2017 #13
The Labour Party bureaucracy suspended or expelled over 125,000 people Ken Burch Feb 2017 #14
From what I understand only a few hundred thousand people voted in the leadership race. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #15
Then it should hold an internal party election. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #16
I agree the labour party needs reform. They need to expand party membership and it should be free. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #17
Well, Labour currently has plenty of members, thanks to Corbyn. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #18
You make a good point about the money. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #19
IMO, the problem with our politics for far too long Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #20
Too bad the first minister of Scotland could not be the PM of the UK. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #21
Yeah, well ... Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #22
Rest well! hrmjustin Feb 2017 #23
We don't have an American style system in this country.... T_i_B Feb 2017 #24
12 pounds a year, with concessions (though they'd like you to pay more) muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #26
Shouldn't that information be in a more prominent place on the website? T_i_B Feb 2017 #27
Those FAQs are on the same 'Join' drop-down from the site home page as 'Join Us' is muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #28
I agree that it's a lot more basic than left/right positioning T_i_B Feb 2017 #25
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