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Denzil_DC

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20. Yeah, but saying a certain party "got lucky" is a bit meaningless.
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 11:31 AM
Jun 2017

There's a reason why polls are expressed in confidence intervals (not that anybody in the media and general public pays them much attention).

If we could run the same polls multiple times in a hypothetical universe (which the best polling models actually do in simulations - the Monte Carlo method), sometimes the SNP would have gotten more votes and more seats, sometimes less. Same for all the parties. You could as easily claim the SNP got unlucky for it to be so close in those seats, and it would be as meaningless. If you look at vote share, you could argue they were unlucky or lucky depending whether you're a glass-half-full type or not, and that wouldn't mean much either.

They're now marginals, some extreme marginals (21-vote and 2-vote majorities in a couple of cases).

After the last utterly exceptional SNP landslide election and absurd swings, were they safe SNP seats? Nope. I don't think anybody sensible, especially the SNP, thought that. I actually don't think there's a safe seat in the whole of Scotland right now, for any party - we're in that much flux.

Will they be marginals in the next election? On paper, yes. But this was almost as much a wave election as the last one for the SNP and the dynamics are likely to be rather different, so I'd be wary of placing any bets.

In case anyone's skeptical about an out-of-context interview quote, Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #1
Heh. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #3
Not convincing enough? Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #2
Scottish Labour STILL hasn't learned from the mistake it made in the Indyref Ken Burch Jun 2017 #5
More evidence that Dugdale has to go. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #4
Davidson has been cosying up with the Scottish Orange Order for some time. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #6
An alliance between Ruth and the Orange Order would involve some VERY delicate phraseology. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #7
The problem's been growing in Scotland for some time, and Scottish Labour's not immune. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #8
A few more examples since I have the tabs open on my browser: Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #9
I'm not sure there's much appetite for replacing Dugdale T_i_B Jun 2017 #10
If they turn on her though, the government falls... Ken Burch Jun 2017 #11
I think Corbyn is pretty safe TBH T_i_B Jun 2017 #15
See, that's one of Scottish Labour's major problems right there. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #12
Here's Ruth "Paper Tiger" Davidson Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #13
Actually, she exits stage RIGHT...as you'd expect a Tory(or Snagglepuss) to do. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #14
My mistake! n/t Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #16
It's all right...I've done theatre off and on for years. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #25
I did a bit in my youth, but sleep's been a bit short the last few days Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Jun 2017 #23
The SNP got lucky - they won a lot of their seats with tiny majorities muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #17
ALL the parties got lucky, except when they didn't. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #18
Yeah, but I'm not cherrypicking - that was all close seats (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #19
Yeah, but saying a certain party "got lucky" is a bit meaningless. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #20
OK, to illustrate some of what I'm saying here, Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #21
A bit more analysis of some of the dynamics in Scotland (including my Argyll & Bute constituency) Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #22
Could you pm me that spreadsheet? Thanks. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #24
Lest anyone think this was purely post-poll petulance on my part, Denzil_DC Jul 2017 #27
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