Reassessing Corbynism: success, contradictions and a difficult path ahead

[Denzil_DC]

30. "I think your feelings about Corbyn are driven by he apparent Labour-Tory cooperation in Scotland."

(a) Oh, for heaven's sake. There's nothing "apparent" about it. It's documented, and if you actually bothered to read the earlier thread about it, you'd know that and we wouldn't have to go over old ground yet again.

(b) My feelings about Corbyn are coloured by concerns that include those raised in this article, which we've barely touched upon because of your vapid squid-cloud obfuscation in response to my initial question about where Labour were going to find the money to fund their promised social programmes if Brexit goes ahead. You have no answers. If Labour has no answers when it comes to the crunch, then the whole thing's going to turn nasty for them and us all very quickly. (And quit projecting what you "think" are my feelings - I've worn out my fingers explaining what they are, so there's no need to guess.)

That's the point you seem unable to grasp. The fact Corbyn visits Scotland and supports Dugdale, who's bitterly opposed many of the positive moves in the Labour manifesto when the SNP has actually enacted them as the Scottish government is just another example of the contradictions in their current stances. One minute it's "out of the single market and the customs union" and no freedom of movement, the next it's "access" to the single market and still no freedom of movement. As T_i_B pointed out, they're only getting away with it at the moment because people and the media are so distracted by how spectacularly awful the Tories are. That distraction won't last forever (well, the Tories are likely to continue to be awful, but boredom with that will set in and attention will turn to "the government in waiting&quot .

You've spent the entire thread detailing how you think the EU is irredeemably neoliberal and antithetical to workers' rights etc. and how nothing will ever happen to reform it, yet you seem happy to see the UK give up any opportunity to have the ability to vote to change it while submitting to EU laws and rules. If you can't see the illogicality of that, then there's no point in continuing.