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muriel_volestrangler

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6. Likely outcomes under the D'Hondt method
Fri May 9, 2014, 12:42 PM
May 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Hondt_method

The basic way the seats are allocated is: divide the parties votes by (number of seats the party has won + 1) and compare with the other parties ; then repeat until all seats are allocated. So the 1st round is just 'compare the votes all parties have; highest gets the seat'. next round is 'divide that party's votes by 2, while keeping the others the same - see who comes on top now', and so on.

How this works out, and whether your vote is likely to affect the outcome, depends on the number of seats in the region. Taking the smallest - North East England (for which we have some UK DUers), with 3 seats, we see the 2009 result was:
Labour: 25.0%
Con: 19.8%
LibDem: 17.6%
UKIP: 15.4%
(others)

I'd say this is almost certain to end up this time with 1 Lab, 1 Con and 1 UKIP MEP; for any party to get 2 seats, they have to get more than twice as many votes as the 3rd place party, and I don't think that's going to happen. It won't take much of a swing for UKIP to beat the LibDems, and that looks very likely given the overall feeling since 2009. Who beats whom of Labour, Tory and UKIP doesn't really matter in the end - it's the race for 3rd place that matters. If you're a LibDem supporter, it's worth turning out, just in case they could hang on; if you're Labour, you might consider lending your vote to LibDem for the day, just to fuck with UKIP, because Labour should be pretty safe is retaining their one seat.

South East England (for me, and others here) is the largest region - 10 seats. While the eventual threshold for the last seat in North East England was about 17%, in SE England it was about 7%:
Con: 34.8% 4 seats (last won with 34.8/4 = 8.7%; next seat would have had 34.8/5=6.96%)
UKIP: 18.8% 2 seats (last won with 18.8/2 = 9.4%)
LibDem: 14.1% 2 seats (last won with 14.1/2 = 7.05%)
Green: 11.6% 1 seat
Labour 8.2% 1 seat

So we see that the LibDems just got their 2nd seat over the Tories getting a 5th one. This time round, I'd guess the LibDems will drop below the level needed for 2 seats, so will lose 1; I doubt the Greens or Labour will be able to get above that level, so they'll remain on 1; so I think there will be 7 seats to divide up between Tory and UKIP, with the one that comes 1st getting 4, and the other 3. My suspicion is that will still be the Conservatives, but it could be UKIP - in 2009, the national split between them was Tory 27.7%, UKIP 16.5% - Tory lead 11.2%, and current polls show roughly Tory 22%, UKIP 28%. Going by those polls, I suppose there should be a chance of Labour picking up a 2nd seat too - if their national Euro vote is really going to go from 15.7% in 2009 to around 30% this time, they might be able to change that 8.2% into 14 or 15%.

But this means there's more chance of your vote affecting the result in SE England than in a smaller region - whatever the parties you might feel able to vote for.

The good news is the BNP vote has collapsed, so Griffin's gravy train is coming to an end - I don't think they'll get anywhere near a seat in any region. The country has finally agreed on something - We Hate The BNP.
In Germany, too. DetlefK Apr 2014 #1
Hello DetlefK! T_i_B May 2014 #4
Euro-election in the South East constituency has the usual long list of parties... LeftishBrit Apr 2014 #2
Anyone who has any remaining doubts about UKIP's racism ... non sociopath skin Apr 2014 #3
There are UKIP adverts on this very website... T_i_B May 2014 #5
Likely outcomes under the D'Hondt method muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #6
Ah, tactical voting... T_i_B May 2014 #7
Well said! non sociopath skin May 2014 #8
Agree with you both LeftishBrit May 2014 #9
Indeed. T_i_B May 2014 #14
I'm voting Labour this time... LeftishBrit May 2014 #10
North East England: Labour 2, UKIP 1 muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #27
Got a strange flyer today: Laurence Stassen, a Dutch woman who wants to take UK out of Europe muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #11
Got the same one. Most bizarre. LeftishBrit May 2014 #12
Yeah; she seemed to vaguely fit with UKIP because she had been EU Chief Accountant muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #13
Vote Match for the EU muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #15
My results came out with the Lib Dems! T_i_B May 2014 #16
I got exactly equal agreement for Labour and the Greens (about two thirds) LeftishBrit May 2014 #17
It's very hard to be wrong all the time muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #20
I had Greens, Labour then the Lib Dems Anarcho-Socialist May 2014 #18
I voted Green in my postal ballot for European Parliament Anarcho-Socialist May 2014 #19
Polling day tomorrow T_i_B May 2014 #21
2 or 3 leaflets from Lib Dems, Tories and UKIP muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #22
I've had a few leaflets from the LibDems, both about the local elections and the Euro-ones LeftishBrit May 2014 #23
The Tory message seemed rather contradictory... T_i_B May 2014 #24
YouGov's projection from their final poll - Greens to overtake Lib Dems: muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #25
Looks like UKIP have done very well in the local elections T_i_B May 2014 #26
With results from Scotland and Northern Ireland to come... T_i_B May 2014 #28
The South East now have...(don't look if you have a weak stomach) LeftishBrit May 2014 #29
The scary thing is Tories and UKIP got 63% of the South East vote between them muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #30
Whatever the media may say about "uniform swings," the North-South divide has never looked greater . non sociopath skin May 2014 #31
In East Midlands we ended up with.... T_i_B Jun 2014 #32
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