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66. The grim reaper is knocking for Scottish Labour
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 08:07 AM
Oct 2014
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/27/grim-reaper-knocking-scottish-labour

The old political order is a dying patient: each week brings new convulsions, more symptoms of approaching morbidity. All three main party leaders have ample reason to spend the next six months howling in the foetal position in some lonely corner of Westminster.

Nick Clegg: the man who went from Churchillian popularity levels to the walking, talking personification of political opportunism in a matter of weeks in 2010, prompting the mass defection of anti-Tory voters from Lib Dem ranks. David Cameron: the leader of a party in long-term decline who failed to win an election against a disintegrating Labour government in the midst of economic calamity, losing voters and MPs alike to ex-City broker Nigel Farage’s “people’s army”. Ed Miliband: the leader who disastrously fails to inspire with a coherent alternative, even as living standards plummet, who now faces the implosion of the Labour party in the nation to which it owes so much of its existence, Scotland. It’s springtime for Ukip, and the Greens show occasional tentative signs of a mini-surge. First-past-the-post seemed to freeze the old system in aspic. Another indecisive election result could do for it.

The three Westminster parties are in crisis, but the resignation of Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont brings us back to Labour woe. Scottish Labour is not simply in one of those ruts parties occasionally get themselves into, before dusting themselves off, having a few policy reviews and then rebounding back into office. As things stand, the political grim reaper is hammering away at the party’s doors. The party believed Scotland was theirs for keeps, that voters could go nowhere else (whoops); and, in turn, Westminster Labour saw Scottish Labour as its vassal, too. Long before the referendum, the Scottish Labour party had been emptied of its activists. From the diminished ranks of a once mighty movement, the most talented opted for Westminster; no wonder the Scottish party in Holyrood – with a few striking exceptions – is so barren of ideas, of ability, of inspiration, of anything. With much of the party reduced to an exhausted rump, a catastrophic strategic decision was made to link arms with the Scottish Tories and run a joint campaign of fear, rather than an optimistic independent Labour campaign pledging a federal Britain and a Scotland of social justice. The result? “Labour” is a word spat out in contempt by all too many Scots, including a sizeable chunk of its own former voters. Speak to prominent Scottish Labour figures, and they know the abyss beckons. They just don’t have the vaguest idea what to do about it.

If Scottish Labour does indeed die, historians will ponder just how the party of Keir Hardie allowed itself to be outflanked on the left by a Scottish National party committed to George Osborne-style cuts to corporation tax. But that is indeed the party’s quite remarkable achievement. And that brings us to the next act in the possible demise of Scottish Labour. Labour’s crisis owes so much to an embrace of Blairism that left a progressive vacuum the SNP was able to fill. It is seen – as Lamont put it herself – as “like a branch office of London”. The yes campaign repeatedly conjured up the Iraq war as a bitter memory of Westminster injustice. So who is being lined up as Lamont’s successor? The arch-Blairite, staunchly pro-war Westminster machine politician, Jim Murphy. It is not so much a loss of senses; it raises questions as to whether there are senses to lose in the first place.
No prediction on total percentage, but I think no will win out narrowly. Drunken Irishman Sep 2014 #1
Same here. No will win slightly because people are afraid of change. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #19
That would be my guess customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #38
51% in the yes column, 49% in the no column ReRe Sep 2014 #2
You can tell my nerves are on edge. I got that the wrong way round! non sociopath skin Sep 2014 #3
I predict one helluva lotta hoopla. riqster Sep 2014 #4
I think the yes side is being duped jambo101 Sep 2014 #5
Let me play the Salmond side Jeneral2885 Sep 2014 #6
51.5% No, 48.5% Yes (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #7
53.2/46.8 "yes". krispos42 Sep 2014 #8
What does Ladbrokes predict? Hoppy Sep 2014 #9
here's a link to their site: Ken Burch Sep 2014 #10
All bookies predict NO Bosonic Sep 2014 #11
Can US residents legally place a bet? oberliner Sep 2014 #13
No idea Bosonic Sep 2014 #14
Glad I didn't oberliner Sep 2014 #62
YES by a surprisingly comfortable margin oberliner Sep 2014 #12
I think the Yes people are more likely to put up posters about it, however LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #17
True, but YES really seemed to be gaining momentum and enthusiasm oberliner Sep 2014 #18
Posters don't vote T_i_B Sep 2014 #55
Clearly not oberliner Sep 2014 #56
56% no, 44% yes Politicub Sep 2014 #15
Pretty close, well done n/t intaglio Sep 2014 #54
My prediction: 51% No; 49% Yes LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #16
No by 5-6 points Anarcho-Socialist Sep 2014 #20
Hear, hear! non sociopath skin Sep 2014 #21
Clackmannanshire - No 53.8%, yes on 46.2% Anarcho-Socialist Sep 2014 #25
This isn't about nationalism. It's about the chance to be free of Thatcherism. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #32
YouGov post-voting internet poll: 54% No, 46% Yes muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #22
I think I need to hear the fat lady sing, muriel. non sociopath skin Sep 2014 #23
I think she needs a few hours' rest first muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #24
If the No does win, it needs to not win by too much. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #30
If Scotland becomes indy, the US will have to bomb it for its oil. valerief Sep 2014 #26
What a ridiculous comment oberliner Sep 2014 #58
I think that was probably sarcasm! I hope so, anyway. LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #59
Orkney - No 67.2%, yes 32.8% Anarcho-Socialist Sep 2014 #27
end result will be "no". 840high Sep 2014 #28
Shetland - 64% for "No" and 36% for "Yes" Anarcho-Socialist Sep 2014 #29
Shetland has much of the oil in its boundaries. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #31
To be honest... LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #50
How do you account for the fact that the NO won in a lot of SNP-voting areas? Ken Burch Sep 2014 #52
Hard to say really... LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #53
Eilean Siar - No 53.42%, yes 46.58% Anarcho-Socialist Sep 2014 #33
that area is about the most heavily SNP part of Scotland. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #39
Whatever the percentage, I hope Yes manages a victory. Oakenshield Sep 2014 #34
(True). It's looking like they won't be in the short term, at the least. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #35
Inverclyde - Yes 50.08%, no 49.92% Anarcho-Socialist Sep 2014 #36
That hurts. Another vote to trust Cameron. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #37
Dundee - Yes 57% No 43% Anarcho-Socialist Sep 2014 #40
The "Yes" is only 7,000 votes down overall with that result. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #42
Renfrewshire - No 53% Yes 47% Anarcho-Socialist Sep 2014 #41
West Dunbartonshire - Yes 54% No 46% Anarcho-Socialist Sep 2014 #43
The Yes carries West Dumbartonshire Ken Burch Sep 2014 #44
Midlothian - No 56 Yes 44 Anarcho-Socialist Sep 2014 #45
Midlothian votes no Ken Burch Sep 2014 #46
After a rush of results - 17 out of 32 declared, it's 56% No, 44% Yes muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #47
In case people didn't see this earlier, this was a "poll" shown on CNN: Ken Burch Sep 2014 #48
LOL! LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #51
Typical for CNN oberliner Sep 2014 #57
With Glasgow in, it's 54% No, 46% Yes muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #49
Alex Salmond has resigned as 1st Minister T_i_B Sep 2014 #60
If Scottish Labour had STAYED Labour, rather than going Blairite on orders from London, Ken Burch Sep 2014 #61
Nicola Sturgeon confirmed as new SNP leader T_i_B Oct 2014 #63
I understand that she was Salmond's choice for successor. Ken Burch Oct 2014 #64
Nobody else stood.... T_i_B Oct 2014 #65
The grim reaper is knocking for Scottish Labour T_i_B Oct 2014 #66
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