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T_i_B

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9. Labour's biggest issues aren't whereabouts it is on a theoretical spectrum

Reply to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:12 AM

Oct 2015

Labour hasn't just lost votes to the Tories & UKIP, it's also lost votes to the Greens, and been destroyed in Scotland by the SNP attacking from the left. Trying to dogmatically explain Labour's decline since 2001 in terms of left/right nonsense will not get you anywhere.

The bigger problems I see for Labour right now are that the party is in open civil war and since the general election has been looking really rather incompetent. Those issues are far greater than whether or not it is to the left or right of something else.

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"Jeremy Corbyn has given hope to my generation. Please don’t let the cynics take it away" [View all] Ken Burch Sep 2015 OP

More: Ken Burch Sep 2015 #1

False hope is worse than no hope. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2015 #2

No hope is exactly what the 3 mainstream candidates were offering T_i_B Oct 2015 #3

Would you at least agree that the party needs to change in response to Corbyn's election? Ken Burch Oct 2015 #4

No, absolutely not. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2015 #5

You're assuming that no one can ever make a case against neoliberalism again. Ken Burch Oct 2015 #6

I'm assuming that a hard-left candidate will not be electable for the forseeable future. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2015 #7

The movement that elected Corbyn leader has nothing in common with the 1983 left. Ken Burch Oct 2015 #8

Why bother joining Labour then? T_i_B Oct 2015 #10

Because you agree with their policies, of course! Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2015 #11

No chance of that happening... T_i_B Oct 2015 #12

Labour's biggest issues aren't whereabouts it is on a theoretical spectrum T_i_B Oct 2015 #9

I think that Labor will win Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #13

Unfortunately I can't see it that way T_i_B Oct 2015 #14

The political landscape is shifting Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #15

... Ironing Man Oct 2015 #19

I don't agree Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #20

I concur with your assessment T_i_B Oct 2015 #21

If he's hope Jeneral2885 Oct 2015 #16

You've asked before, and you have been answered T_i_B Oct 2015 #17

... Ironing Man Oct 2015 #18