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Hillary Clinton

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Bluerome

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Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:14 PM Apr 2016

Does it matter that some Sanders supporters believe there's no difference between Dem and Repub now? [View all]

Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:07 PM - Edit history (1)

I know that latching on to a candidate is sort of like latching on to a football team, and you can see the obvious similarities in the way football fans make excuses for their team, blame the refs, and believe every bad thing they hear about their rival (Dallas and Philly?). But I don't think that the people who start to dislike players on their own team, as some Sanders supporters have done, are that great in number (and the polls show that, compared to 08). Those people are a sub-category that were already opposed to Hillary, and were very willing to absorb any competitor's attacks against her, and transform, in their minds, political talking points into what they now consider concrete, undeniable fact. I know they believe, wholeheartedly, that Hillary is bought and paid for, a corporate shill who has taken money from big companies for no other reason than to do their bidding. They cannot consider that she's smart enough to take an idiot corporation's money and still regulate them when she has the power. I remember the artist Moby, who got famous by allowing his songs to be used in car commercials, defending this by saying that his strategy was to use that "sellout" money to fight against those same companies that paid him. He's very liberal and no one at the time questioned his strategy. The important thing to remember about the Moby comparison is that most people never even knew about the controversy surrounding Moby's decision; they just liked his music and bought his albums. Similarly, most dems don't even know that a famous liberal like Hillary is having her liberal credentials questioned by a minority within the party. They'll show up and vote for her.

So Hillary doesn't really need to counter the claims that she's no different than a republican. When the general election heats up, most people who have forgotten will remember it very quickly. And those who still harbor that grudge against her, still hanging on to this far-fetched idea that a liberal icon like Hillary somehow has always been a corporation-bot, they'll remain a minority not large enough to affect the outcome of the election.

I will say this, however, in defense of Sanders' supporters: I think his vision is the future of America. (And one that Hillary shares, she just, skillfully, doesn't shout it from the rooftops). Hillary supporters just disagreed with his supporters over whether he was the right candidate to take us there, whether he had the skills, and whether it was even possible to make such sweeping changes overnight. We can see that Obama's strategy works - look at the state of our country compared to when Bush left office. We ARE climbing that hill, and we are doing it intelligently, working the system the only way it can be worked. You don't walk into government and dictate to the other parties. You don't tell the millions of republican voters that your socialist vision is now going to be implemented and to get out of the way. You boil that frog by turning up the heat slowly, until Reaganomics is dead in the pan, never having realized it was dying. Turn the heat up too fast and it jumps out.

And this doesn't mean that Hillary isn't going to turn up the heat at a good pace. Don't forget what the Republicans have always known - Hillary is a liberal. But she's a clever one. She's going to get it done similar to the way Obama has. Are we better off now than 8 years ago? You bet your ass. I remember the long lines of the jobless. That's progress. And he's so good at it, even many Sanders' supporters don't even realize the progress we've made. That's smart change. You don't come out and say you're going to change everything. You just do it, quietly.

I see Hillary's Wall Street strategy this way -

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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it matters a great deal-remember Nader? Gothmog Apr 2016 #1
Look at the data from 08 Bluerome Apr 2016 #5
Agree, most Sanders supporters (and all the Sanders supporters I know) will vote for Hillary SharonClark Apr 2016 #11
most people don't even follow the election at all right now Bluerome Apr 2016 #14
Naming Sarah Palin to the ticket got a number of PUMAs to agree to support President Obama Gothmog Apr 2016 #25
Nader's so full of shite, too. Mahalo for his record of history, Goth. Cha Apr 2016 #43
I don't see Sanders vision as the future of the Democratic Party. Hillary is a progressive who gets Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #2
We dems know there's a huge difference, and of course we always reiterate that Bluerome Apr 2016 #8
He puts Medicare for All, Sanders is not on Medicare, it is not free and has restrictions, co-pays, Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #16
totally agree that there are differences b/t Hillary and Bernie's plans Bluerome Apr 2016 #18
Hillary wants to improve on ACA, she is not against a single payer or national health plan Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #26
Medicare Part B is NOT optional. Once you turn 65 Pathwalker Apr 2016 #20
You don't have to take Part B, Part A is what is free. If a person is still working and has Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #23
OK. They (SS) told me otherwise. I love my Medicare Pathwalker Apr 2016 #28
My point was it is not free, currently I pay the Part B and have part D insurance Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #34
I edited my post to reflect what you said - Hillary has the same vision, just a better strategy Bluerome Apr 2016 #15
Vanity. "Our candidate is so pure!" NurseJackie Apr 2016 #3
right on Bluerome Apr 2016 #6
Hahahaha! ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #42
Except BS is more pure coming in @ 100% Cha Apr 2016 #44
The analog did in 2000 whatthehey Apr 2016 #4
totally agree. Bluerome Apr 2016 #10
45 state have sore loser laws, though only two - including TX - specifically apply to presidential stopbush Apr 2016 #17
well put! Bluerome Apr 2016 #19
We heard that tripe in 2000 and we soon learned WhiteTara Apr 2016 #7
This year is very different than 2000. We're running against Trump, not Bush Bluerome Apr 2016 #9
Until there is another Democrat in the White House WhiteTara Apr 2016 #21
+1 Cha Apr 2016 #45
I think some see it as the most hurtful thing you can sling HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #12
It's the anger stage, they'll get to depression and acceptance, or they won't and will self-destruct Bluerome Apr 2016 #13
Ironically, Hillary's approach to Wall St is more like FDR's than Sanders' Rose Siding Apr 2016 #22
Good read, and a reminder that Bluerome Apr 2016 #24
It really interested me Rose Siding Apr 2016 #29
Go for it Bluerome Apr 2016 #38
Great Post Rose... Walk away Apr 2016 #50
I think it matters. apcalc Apr 2016 #27
It's the same old Chomsky/Nader anti corporation bromide that leads nowhere. The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #30
Those guys defeat their own agenda with their extremism Bluerome Apr 2016 #37
Unless one plans on living in a cave or up a tree one must The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #39
It matters JSup Apr 2016 #31
And we should continue to refute them Bluerome Apr 2016 #32
The only fretting I do anymore... JSup Apr 2016 #33
It's always been that way Bluerome Apr 2016 #35
Good article. creon Apr 2016 #36
Nader + voter suppression. Yes, it matters. Hekate Apr 2016 #40
I used to believe that ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #41
It's the quiet non Rock Star Rallies Revolution.. Cha Apr 2016 #46
"Not always easy to get a 2nd Democratic Presidency after the 1st one has had 8 years in Office." BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #47
Yeah, pre President Obama it wasn't.. and then along comes Hillary.. Perfect Storm! Cha Apr 2016 #48
Thanks to President Obama, the revolution BS always talks about, has already happened. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #49
You are a little Cha Apr 2016 #51
Guilty as charged! BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #52
Wow! That's so gorgeous, BCD! Mahalo for creativity! Cha Apr 2016 #53
Thanks, Cha. :-) eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #54
I like to circle back to the words of one of their heroes HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #55
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