Hillary Clinton

BobbyDrake

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51. Anyone bringing up the speeches as a condition for their vote is unserious.

Reply to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Fri May 20, 2016, 12:07 PM

May 2016

Sorry, but you're giving the person you spoke with more credit than they deserve.

Another example is the first condition. The media already proved that Bernie has the same type of "fossil fuel industry" donations as Clinton, he just had less of them. Where was it published that HE had returned those donations? I will not put up with more and more double standards that only apply to Clinton and never to Bernie.

And POTUS doesn't make SCOTUS rulings, so there's no way for a President to single-handedly "overturn" a Supreme Court decision. They must be thinking of a constitutional amendment, which is a MASSIVE undertaking at both the federal and state level.

The person you spoke to appears to have been mocking you with this list. It is not the product of the mind of a rational adult.

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A question for the HRC group [View all] Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 OP

I think jehop61 May 2016 #1

I'm just looking to see where, if anywhere, there could be common ground. Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #10

Almost all of the ground is already common. The differences are overblown by DU Sanders supporters. TwilightZone May 2016 #12

And that point about voting together nearly all the time needs to be emphasized Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #18

Most people already know. It's the ones who are being intentionally obtuse that don't. TwilightZone May 2016 #21

A lot of it is tone Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #23

Their outrage is highly selective, which makes it difficult to take them seriously TwilightZone May 2016 #29

This, so much this. LisaM May 2016 #61

Me too sarae May 2016 #88

They're also not really "proposals" LisaM May 2016 #90

good point sarae May 2016 #94

+100! Surya Gayatri May 2016 #101

I think some of these people don't really know republicans and conservatives all american girl May 2016 #97

Aww, thanks! Same to you! LisaM May 2016 #100

Lisa (my name sake, because I have a feeling I might be older) all american girl May 2016 #112

+ a million! eom BlueMTexpat May 2016 #139

Those types will never go for Hillary nini May 2016 #2

Let me cite Cap & Trade as an example Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #16

Oh I agree we need to talk about all of those type things nini May 2016 #63

Yep kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #86

The definition of an ideologue: Surya Gayatri May 2016 #102

Those are Sanders positions. leftofcool May 2016 #3

Losers don't set the agenda, and blackmail isn't terribly becoming TwilightZone May 2016 #4

Thank you, Twilight. Well put. Cha May 2016 #6

Objectively, his supporters are enthusiastic Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #20

Hillary has received more votes than Sanders or Trump. The enthusiasm gap is a myth TwilightZone May 2016 #22

I read RCP Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #26

"I'm just saying his supporters are pretty fired up. " TwilightZone May 2016 #32

Fair point Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #44

Sure, young people buy t-shirts, but they don't reliably turn out to vote. procon May 2016 #48

I'd like all the help we can get in the GE Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #56

Appeasing the 5% who will never vote for her anyway by compromising on the things that led TwilightZone May 2016 #60

Zactly. "Gallup: Clinton Supporters More Enthusiastic Than Sanders Supporters" Cha May 2016 #129

Ha, another myth debunked. TwilightZone May 2016 #137

It sure meant nothing in New York where Hillary won all 3 districts where BS Cha May 2016 #138

Many of these young people didn't even make the effort to register and vote for Bernie. Koinos May 2016 #66

True dat... give us some love! nt procon May 2016 #67

Not free college. But something free would be good. Koinos May 2016 #68

Free community college, affordable four year colleges - yes! LisaM May 2016 #77

Yeah, but I don't need dat school any more. And what counts is me, me, me. Koinos May 2016 #82

It mystifies me why corporate planners aren't hooking up with procon May 2016 #83

I know. I don't get it either. LisaM May 2016 #89

Idealism often confuses vocation and avocation. procon May 2016 #91

Yard signs and bumper stickers aren't votes, though... BobbyDrake May 2016 #53

And if they had spent less on negative internet campaigning, and more on GOTV. Koinos May 2016 #70

I am very active on social media.... ProudProgressiveNow May 2016 #80

I'm a member of several Pro-Hillary groups on Facebook, Twitter, and other sites... Stand and Fight May 2016 #124

Which is why I have a Hillary magnet Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #140

Wasn't it a Republican that some DemonGoddess May 2016 #133

You've made me laugh twice in the same thread. LisaM May 2016 #95

And, yet, they think the harrassment is helping. Go figure. TwilightZone May 2016 #98

I agree! LAS14 May 2016 #113

With all due respect... yallerdawg May 2016 #5

Well romana May 2016 #7

Dang. Was doing 'business' in the bathroom when I read that list. I got all bound up. fleabiscuit May 2016 #8

I think that person has never had any intention to ever vote for Hillary obamanut2012 May 2016 #9

Yes romana May 2016 #13

Agreed. TwilightZone May 2016 #17

^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri May 2016 #106

"a pledge to overturn Citizens United" - damn, some of these people are clueless TwilightZone May 2016 #11

They're burnie washed. Cha May 2016 #14

Doesn't Sanders want to get rid of ACA and isn't really into gun reform? caquillo May 2016 #15

On the ACA, he'll just wave his magic finger, er, wand, and single-payer will appear. TwilightZone May 2016 #19

Too many misunderstandings in this list. I will start with items that are out of place. Koinos May 2016 #24

Both candidates should say that Citizens United is a SCOTUS litmus test Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #28

They already have. TwilightZone May 2016 #33

Repealing Citizens United Koinos May 2016 #64

The Supreme Court held that McCain-Feingold was a violation of free speech... Blanks May 2016 #72

Best answer! skylucy May 2016 #49

So good, I wish you'd re-post this as a separate OP. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #107

You hit the nail on the head. KitSileya May 2016 #136

"support a complete and total ban on fracking�" misterhighwasted May 2016 #25

My favorite BSS response about Sierra Blanca is "well, if Vermont had a desert, they would... TwilightZone May 2016 #37

the guy is fubar misterhighwasted May 2016 #46

sorry I have to say something DLCWIdem May 2016 #84

It was an election yr & GW scuttled the project cuz he needed the Latino votes in Tx misterhighwasted May 2016 #93

I didn't know that tney selected a new site I knew they could because of the pact. DLCWIdem May 2016 #99

Harold Simmons was the investor & also a GOP Mega Donor. misterhighwasted May 2016 #111

And now Jane is on the board, talk about influence. Thinkingabout May 2016 #132

No. johnp3907 May 2016 #27

Some concessions will be made but I doubt if this is what "seek the truth" is wanting WI_DEM May 2016 #30

He could get everything on the list... TwilightZone May 2016 #35

I want to reempasize that I'm not hating on the poster Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #40

I support all your posts in this thread, Algernon. LAS14 May 2016 #115

The first non-starter is the speech transcripts ismnotwasm May 2016 #31

IKR! I typed out the answers to each and got to the last and just eye-rolled. KittyWampus May 2016 #41

I saw your reply, it was great ismnotwasm May 2016 #57

+1 treestar May 2016 #45

+1 fleabiscuit May 2016 #52

It would be like trying to reason with the Birthers. procon May 2016 #34

+1 treestar May 2016 #43

My answer is simple what do you think a beachbumbob May 2016 #36

#1. Oil, Pharmaceutical & Banking Companies CAN NOT DONATE. Poster exposes ignorance on this topic. KittyWampus May 2016 #38

thank you treestar May 2016 #42

I agree! skylucy May 2016 #50

On Glass Stegall, Sanders has moved to Dodd Frank in breaking up banks, Thinkingabout May 2016 #134

Well, I don't want you wasting an eye-roll :) Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #54

That pretty much sums it up. TwilightZone May 2016 #59

100% agree Pika78 May 2016 #69

Thank you! Well said! DemonGoddess May 2016 #135

The first one is completely ridiculous treestar May 2016 #39

My Answers would be MSMITH33156 May 2016 #47

Anyone bringing up the speeches as a condition for their vote is unserious. BobbyDrake May 2016 #51

Exactly savalez May 2016 #62

my thought exactly. Kidnapers and terrorists issue demands. nt TeamPooka May 2016 #104

The answer that should make everyones face drain of blood >TRUMP< fleabiscuit May 2016 #55

In my humble opinion we might as well raise a white flag of surrender, but lets discuss them BootinUp May 2016 #58

Sounds like someone looking for a reason to not vote for Hillary liberal N proud May 2016 #65

More like self-justifying their already-established intent TwilightZone May 2016 #71

If these weren't lines in the sand for a person who voted for President Obama Starry Messenger May 2016 #73

A lot of these guys didn't vote for Obama, either. TwilightZone May 2016 #74

Welp, than can't say we'll miss them this time either! Starry Messenger May 2016 #76

Yep. TwilightZone May 2016 #78

I actually typed my opinion on each point and was about to post it... Walk away May 2016 #75

I'll just speak to one of the items bluestateguy May 2016 #79

My biggest concern MFM008 May 2016 #81

If we wanted a candidate that lied and promised the impossible w/o a way to get there Her Sister May 2016 #85

As for the speech transcripts, she is going to use it as leverage with the Trump Her Sister May 2016 #87

As she's already noted, he more than likely has much more to worry about than she does. TwilightZone May 2016 #92

You get nothing! You LOSE! Good day, sir! MirrorAshes May 2016 #96

I would love for the discussion to begin ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #103

What do they figure they are going to see in the speech transcripts? The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #105

Pretty much Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #108

Getting a well known celebrity to give a speech is extremely The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #114

Companies hire motivational speakers all the time. TwilightZone May 2016 #118

Since when does the supporter of the losing candidate get to dictate terms? CajunBlazer May 2016 #109

Seektruth was asked by me for conditions. I saw them as looking pretty common of what I'd seen from Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #117

I am against any concessions texstad79 May 2016 #110

Since when does the supporter of the losing candidate get to dictate terms? CajunBlazer May 2016 #116

The candidates traditionally get some kind of concession. The supporters? Nah. TwilightZone May 2016 #119

Right.. BS not only lost but he's lost poorly. And, he better right his Cha May 2016 #121

An attempt to answer. LAS14 May 2016 #120

All of it. jmowreader May 2016 #122

The first one will sound pretty foolish when Hillary is helping Sanders pay off his campaign debt. ucrdem May 2016 #123

Oh you so nailed that one.. they should know by now that it's a foolish question.. Cha May 2016 #126

Aloha Cha! yes and one accidental benefit of the Nevada showdown ucrdem May 2016 #128

Aloha, ucr~ Yes, finally the world is seeing what we've seen for so long.. and Cha May 2016 #131

Anytime they ask for the speech transcripts, they're just looking to harm Hillary. SunSeeker May 2016 #125

Mahalo for that, SunSeeker.. so well said! Cha May 2016 #127

I'll add some about Fracking - she does not "support" fracking OKNancy May 2016 #130