Hillary Clinton

LisaM

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61. This, so much this.

Fri May 20, 2016, 12:37 PM

May 2016

I am tired of being painted as a conservative myself. I'm not one, and neither is Hillary Clinton. I don't like fracking either, but people seem to enjoy the energy independence that's come with it - and Hillary talks about clean energy more than any other candidate and takes Germany as a model (and Germany has done amazing things lately), so I believe she would be able to move us away from oil dependence and fracking more quickly than any other candidate.

I think an immediate jump to a national $15 minimum wage is a bad idea because it will kill a lot of small businesses, favor chains (who will pay the wage, but skimp on the number of employees - Wendy's is already looking into a robot workforce), but I do support an increased minimum wage. I think it's terrible that it's been stagnant as long as it has, but a mom and pop grocery in Small Town, Main Street America might not be able to handle the jump.

I could go on with this, but you get the drift. I think the list of demands is also beyond arrogant.

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A question for the HRC group [View all] Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 OP

I think jehop61 May 2016 #1

I'm just looking to see where, if anywhere, there could be common ground. Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #10

Almost all of the ground is already common. The differences are overblown by DU Sanders supporters. TwilightZone May 2016 #12

And that point about voting together nearly all the time needs to be emphasized Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #18

Most people already know. It's the ones who are being intentionally obtuse that don't. TwilightZone May 2016 #21

A lot of it is tone Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #23

Their outrage is highly selective, which makes it difficult to take them seriously TwilightZone May 2016 #29

This, so much this. LisaM May 2016 #61

Me too sarae May 2016 #88

They're also not really "proposals" LisaM May 2016 #90

good point sarae May 2016 #94

+100! Surya Gayatri May 2016 #101

I think some of these people don't really know republicans and conservatives all american girl May 2016 #97

Aww, thanks! Same to you! LisaM May 2016 #100

Lisa (my name sake, because I have a feeling I might be older) all american girl May 2016 #112

+ a million! eom BlueMTexpat May 2016 #139

Those types will never go for Hillary nini May 2016 #2

Let me cite Cap & Trade as an example Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #16

Oh I agree we need to talk about all of those type things nini May 2016 #63

Yep kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #86

The definition of an ideologue: Surya Gayatri May 2016 #102

Those are Sanders positions. leftofcool May 2016 #3

Losers don't set the agenda, and blackmail isn't terribly becoming TwilightZone May 2016 #4

Thank you, Twilight. Well put. Cha May 2016 #6

Objectively, his supporters are enthusiastic Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #20

Hillary has received more votes than Sanders or Trump. The enthusiasm gap is a myth TwilightZone May 2016 #22

I read RCP Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #26

"I'm just saying his supporters are pretty fired up. " TwilightZone May 2016 #32

Fair point Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #44

Sure, young people buy t-shirts, but they don't reliably turn out to vote. procon May 2016 #48

I'd like all the help we can get in the GE Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #56

Appeasing the 5% who will never vote for her anyway by compromising on the things that led TwilightZone May 2016 #60

Zactly. "Gallup: Clinton Supporters More Enthusiastic Than Sanders Supporters" Cha May 2016 #129

Ha, another myth debunked. TwilightZone May 2016 #137

It sure meant nothing in New York where Hillary won all 3 districts where BS Cha May 2016 #138

Many of these young people didn't even make the effort to register and vote for Bernie. Koinos May 2016 #66

True dat... give us some love! nt procon May 2016 #67

Not free college. But something free would be good. Koinos May 2016 #68

Free community college, affordable four year colleges - yes! LisaM May 2016 #77

Yeah, but I don't need dat school any more. And what counts is me, me, me. Koinos May 2016 #82

It mystifies me why corporate planners aren't hooking up with procon May 2016 #83

I know. I don't get it either. LisaM May 2016 #89

Idealism often confuses vocation and avocation. procon May 2016 #91

Yard signs and bumper stickers aren't votes, though... BobbyDrake May 2016 #53

And if they had spent less on negative internet campaigning, and more on GOTV. Koinos May 2016 #70

I am very active on social media.... ProudProgressiveNow May 2016 #80

I'm a member of several Pro-Hillary groups on Facebook, Twitter, and other sites... Stand and Fight May 2016 #124

Which is why I have a Hillary magnet Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #140

Wasn't it a Republican that some DemonGoddess May 2016 #133

You've made me laugh twice in the same thread. LisaM May 2016 #95

And, yet, they think the harrassment is helping. Go figure. TwilightZone May 2016 #98

I agree! LAS14 May 2016 #113

With all due respect... yallerdawg May 2016 #5

Well romana May 2016 #7

Dang. Was doing 'business' in the bathroom when I read that list. I got all bound up. fleabiscuit May 2016 #8

I think that person has never had any intention to ever vote for Hillary obamanut2012 May 2016 #9

Yes romana May 2016 #13

Agreed. TwilightZone May 2016 #17

^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri May 2016 #106

"a pledge to overturn Citizens United" - damn, some of these people are clueless TwilightZone May 2016 #11

They're burnie washed. Cha May 2016 #14

Doesn't Sanders want to get rid of ACA and isn't really into gun reform? caquillo May 2016 #15

On the ACA, he'll just wave his magic finger, er, wand, and single-payer will appear. TwilightZone May 2016 #19

Too many misunderstandings in this list. I will start with items that are out of place. Koinos May 2016 #24

Both candidates should say that Citizens United is a SCOTUS litmus test Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #28

They already have. TwilightZone May 2016 #33

Repealing Citizens United Koinos May 2016 #64

The Supreme Court held that McCain-Feingold was a violation of free speech... Blanks May 2016 #72

Best answer! skylucy May 2016 #49

So good, I wish you'd re-post this as a separate OP. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #107

You hit the nail on the head. KitSileya May 2016 #136

"support a complete and total ban on fracking�" misterhighwasted May 2016 #25

My favorite BSS response about Sierra Blanca is "well, if Vermont had a desert, they would... TwilightZone May 2016 #37

the guy is fubar misterhighwasted May 2016 #46

sorry I have to say something DLCWIdem May 2016 #84

It was an election yr & GW scuttled the project cuz he needed the Latino votes in Tx misterhighwasted May 2016 #93

I didn't know that tney selected a new site I knew they could because of the pact. DLCWIdem May 2016 #99

Harold Simmons was the investor & also a GOP Mega Donor. misterhighwasted May 2016 #111

And now Jane is on the board, talk about influence. Thinkingabout May 2016 #132

No. johnp3907 May 2016 #27

Some concessions will be made but I doubt if this is what "seek the truth" is wanting WI_DEM May 2016 #30

He could get everything on the list... TwilightZone May 2016 #35

I want to reempasize that I'm not hating on the poster Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #40

I support all your posts in this thread, Algernon. LAS14 May 2016 #115

The first non-starter is the speech transcripts ismnotwasm May 2016 #31

IKR! I typed out the answers to each and got to the last and just eye-rolled. KittyWampus May 2016 #41

I saw your reply, it was great ismnotwasm May 2016 #57

+1 treestar May 2016 #45

+1 fleabiscuit May 2016 #52

It would be like trying to reason with the Birthers. procon May 2016 #34

+1 treestar May 2016 #43

My answer is simple what do you think a beachbumbob May 2016 #36

#1. Oil, Pharmaceutical & Banking Companies CAN NOT DONATE. Poster exposes ignorance on this topic. KittyWampus May 2016 #38

thank you treestar May 2016 #42

I agree! skylucy May 2016 #50

On Glass Stegall, Sanders has moved to Dodd Frank in breaking up banks, Thinkingabout May 2016 #134

Well, I don't want you wasting an eye-roll :) Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #54

That pretty much sums it up. TwilightZone May 2016 #59

100% agree Pika78 May 2016 #69

Thank you! Well said! DemonGoddess May 2016 #135

The first one is completely ridiculous treestar May 2016 #39

My Answers would be MSMITH33156 May 2016 #47

Anyone bringing up the speeches as a condition for their vote is unserious. BobbyDrake May 2016 #51

Exactly savalez May 2016 #62

my thought exactly. Kidnapers and terrorists issue demands. nt TeamPooka May 2016 #104

The answer that should make everyones face drain of blood >TRUMP< fleabiscuit May 2016 #55

In my humble opinion we might as well raise a white flag of surrender, but lets discuss them BootinUp May 2016 #58

Sounds like someone looking for a reason to not vote for Hillary liberal N proud May 2016 #65

More like self-justifying their already-established intent TwilightZone May 2016 #71

If these weren't lines in the sand for a person who voted for President Obama Starry Messenger May 2016 #73

A lot of these guys didn't vote for Obama, either. TwilightZone May 2016 #74

Welp, than can't say we'll miss them this time either! Starry Messenger May 2016 #76

Yep. TwilightZone May 2016 #78

I actually typed my opinion on each point and was about to post it... Walk away May 2016 #75

I'll just speak to one of the items bluestateguy May 2016 #79

My biggest concern MFM008 May 2016 #81

If we wanted a candidate that lied and promised the impossible w/o a way to get there Her Sister May 2016 #85

As for the speech transcripts, she is going to use it as leverage with the Trump Her Sister May 2016 #87

As she's already noted, he more than likely has much more to worry about than she does. TwilightZone May 2016 #92

You get nothing! You LOSE! Good day, sir! MirrorAshes May 2016 #96

I would love for the discussion to begin ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #103

What do they figure they are going to see in the speech transcripts? The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #105

Pretty much Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #108

Getting a well known celebrity to give a speech is extremely The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #114

Companies hire motivational speakers all the time. TwilightZone May 2016 #118

Since when does the supporter of the losing candidate get to dictate terms? CajunBlazer May 2016 #109

Seektruth was asked by me for conditions. I saw them as looking pretty common of what I'd seen from Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #117

I am against any concessions texstad79 May 2016 #110

Since when does the supporter of the losing candidate get to dictate terms? CajunBlazer May 2016 #116

The candidates traditionally get some kind of concession. The supporters? Nah. TwilightZone May 2016 #119

Right.. BS not only lost but he's lost poorly. And, he better right his Cha May 2016 #121

An attempt to answer. LAS14 May 2016 #120

All of it. jmowreader May 2016 #122

The first one will sound pretty foolish when Hillary is helping Sanders pay off his campaign debt. ucrdem May 2016 #123

Oh you so nailed that one.. they should know by now that it's a foolish question.. Cha May 2016 #126

Aloha Cha! yes and one accidental benefit of the Nevada showdown ucrdem May 2016 #128

Aloha, ucr~ Yes, finally the world is seeing what we've seen for so long.. and Cha May 2016 #131

Anytime they ask for the speech transcripts, they're just looking to harm Hillary. SunSeeker May 2016 #125

Mahalo for that, SunSeeker.. so well said! Cha May 2016 #127

I'll add some about Fracking - she does not "support" fracking OKNancy May 2016 #130