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Hillary Clinton

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Her Sister

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Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:03 PM Jun 2016

Daily Kos & by Kos: Open primaries? No, no and hell no (HRC GP) [View all]


There’s no problem with the first three bullet points, though those are all based on state law and elections machinery. The Democratic Party has no control over them, which is why I now advocate for the party to wholly take over the primary process.

But the idea that it is “incomprehensible” that non-Democrats get to choose the Democratic nominee is, well, incomprehensible.

There is no point to a political party unless that party can decide for itself who represents it. It costs nothing to register as a Democrat (or Republican). No one even knows which party you register under. The only reason to register as an independent is because you think you are too good or pure or uncorrupted to be a member of a party. And if that’s the case? Good for you! We are all duly impressed. So shiny and perfect!

But fuck you, you don’t get to pick our candidates.

I don’t walk into a Shriners meeting, tell them they all suck and I hate their fez hats and cool stupid little parade cars, then demand a say in who leads the organization. That would be absurd and I’d be laughed out of the room. So why would anyone think differently about political parties? Yeah, I’m laughing Bernie’s idea out of the room.

You want a say in who a party nominates, join it. If you are too cool to join it, then you are too cool to have a say. Simple. Period. End of story.

Of course, Sanders’ list doesn’t include caucuses, which are an abomination of democracy and dramatically depressed turnout (and I wrote that piece before the Nebraska and Washington non-binding primaries, which had dramatically bigger turnout than the caucuses—even though they did not matter). I wonder why the guy who insisted on everyone voting would suddenly clamp down when discussing those undemocratic caucuses?

As for open primaries? Hell no. If you want a say, join the party.

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Join it and participate in it, and to hell with a caucus. Those are anti-democratic. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
We cannot allow people to come and try to weaken our party ! Her Sister Jun 2016 #2
Good common sense post from Kos. Koinos Jun 2016 #3
The malcontents are the people who can't do the hard work to make an alternate party. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #4
No sale, Bernie. teamster633 Jun 2016 #5
I'm with Kos on this, and where the hell do I sign up? I think the party's rank-n-file should get.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2016 #6
1000000+ I absolutely agree with you. skylucy Jun 2016 #25
I've been following Presidential elections since the early 1970s, and I don't recall.... George II Jun 2016 #7
That's the truth! SharonClark Jun 2016 #9
My favorite part: NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #8
I think that either we open the primaries or fix the gerrymandering. wildeyed Jun 2016 #10
Isn't that for states to decide? The Democratic party has no business... Walk away Jun 2016 #12
Not sure what you mean. wildeyed Jun 2016 #13
That is what I mean. Walk away Jun 2016 #19
Sure, but we make it hard for third parties in ways that stifle democracy. wildeyed Jun 2016 #22
Gerrymandering is performed by the party in charge, it should be done away with but in Texas Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #14
Democrats gerrymander too. wildeyed Jun 2016 #17
Yes Democrats is also guilty of gerrymandering. Let it go by county lines, they are already drawn Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #18
If a third party is going to be viable they need to be better organized. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #26
Chicken or the egg problem.... wildeyed Jun 2016 #28
Using the leverage of his adoring followers to fire DWS who was leaving after the convention.... Walk away Jun 2016 #11
And, that's his MO.. "petty and mean spirited".. he lost so he has to blame it on anyone Cha Jun 2016 #15
Love KOS.. he speaks for me.. Cha Jun 2016 #16
He speaks for me too! And he has been tearing it up for the last 2-3 months Number23 Jun 2016 #20
I know.. I'm been loving what KOS has had to say about the bernster. Cha Jun 2016 #21
Couldn't agree more. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #23
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #24
These things are in place to keep from having a Trump on the Democratic ticket liberal N proud Jun 2016 #27
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