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freshwest

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5. A lot of Obama's victory was grassroots and not media driven. I think this is what people fear, that
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 11:07 PM
Mar 2015
she won't have the Obama 'charisma' working for her. But she did have a lot of grassroots in 2008.

A few questions for her most dedicated supporters in HRC, not disruptors.


1) What if any, of Obama's voting block will resist her candidacy and why would they?*

2) What does her candidacy offer them, will the negative memes outweigh the positive?*

3 & 4) is at the end of the post.*


Because she hasn't declared yet and we've yet to see her campaign. In 2008, AFAIK, her campaign did not reflect the level of social networking to organize voters, but she had grassroots.

*Not speaking of those whose animus is still very heated, in particular, those who say they won't vote. It's a fine line between derangement and having disagreements, not from CT or RW sources, but not liking her.

As I've said before, I didn't find her to be an effective speaker, nor did I care for her demeanor when compared to Obama's. But she is rated by friends, and more importantly, enemies, and even Obama, I believe, that she will carry on Obama's policies on civil rights, etc.

For those who can't get over her supporting the Iraq War, which even Ted Kennedy who voted against it defended her, chew on this:

She has a 100% rate of approval from SANE, .which has been around since 1957 and has several groups in it:

Peace Action is a peace organization formed through the merger of The Committee for a SANE Nuclear Policy and the Nuclear Weapons Freeze Campaign (also known as "The Freeze").

The organization's focus is on preventing the deployment of nuclear weapons in space, thwarting weapons sales to countries with human rights violations, and promoting a new United States foreign policy based on common security and peaceful resolution to international conflicts.

Peace Action believes that every person has the right to live without the threat of nuclear weapons, that war is not a suitable response to conflict, and that the United States has the resources to both protect and provide for its citizens.[2] Peace Action has over 100,000 members who belong to over 70 autonomous affiliate and chapter organizations.[3]

Currently, Kevin M. Martin is the executive director and Paul Kawika Martin is the political director.


The Gulf War and the War on Terror

Following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, SANE/FREEZE opposed the U.S. military buildup in the Persian Gulf. Throughout the Gulf War, the organization coordinated anti-war marches in Washington, DC, helping to mobilize 500,000 protesters. Soon after, In 1993, SANE/FREEZE renamed itself Peace Action.

Of great concern to Peace Action in 1995 was the conference for review of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. The signatories to the treaty decided by consensus to extend the treaty indefinitely and without conditions. The year also marked the 50th anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The next year Peace Action launched Peace Voter '96, the organization's largest nationally-coordinated campaign since the mid-1980s. Over one million Peace Voter Guides were distributed for the November elections. Also that year, Peace Action joined human rights groups to stop major weapons sales to Indonesia and Turkey. In 1997, Indonesia withdrew its request for U.S. fighter jets due to "unwarranted criticism" of their human rights record.

In 1999, Peace Action opposed the NATO bombing of Kosovo, which it described as "cruise missile humanitarianism", and founded the National Coalition for Peace and Justice, a body uniting most of the major peace groups in the country. Also that year, Peace Action commemorated the bombing of Nagasaki by staging a demonstration at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. The demonstration was led by actor Martin Sheen.

Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Peace Action responded to the war on terrorism and the bombing of Afghanistan with a call for justice, not war. The group went on to participate in two national coalitions: Win Without War and United for Peace and Justice.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peace_Action&printable=yes#The_Gulf_War_and_the_War_on_Terror

Remember, that the first attack on the WTC was handled as a police action by Bill. I only mention that as a reminder that there is more than one way to handle an attack. While I don't agree with all he did, THIS ADMINISTRATION WILL BE HERS AND NOT HIS, AND SHE IS NOT BUSH.

Being in the office of POTUS doesn't automatically turn a President into a bloodthirsty butcher of innocents. But WAR and killing can be part of the job assignment. I knew when I voted that Jesus was not on the ballot at any time.

No, that is not to be expected. It's a position that is morally difficult and punishing. Does anyone think Obama's hair turned white for no reason?

Looking at the Peace Action groupings, check out who will now have to be disassociated by those who consider themselves more left than HRC. The GOP knows this and calls her an anti-USA, Communist sympathizer. And they categorize her policies as fringe left winger. The chart and statistics posted by another member does find her safely within the 'far left liberal' box.

And she didn't START the IW, she is NOT Bush. Obama made her the SoS for good reason. Of course to some, he's a war criminal and warmonger. They always see Bushes behind the Trees.

Does anyone remember the fuss over Obama's ultimatum to Syria? Or what was going on in Libya? Some Arab people called out the American left for sweeping their concerns under the rug. Earl's Pic of the Day showed the outrage on Obama was illogical:



People and events are often much more complicated than they first appear and we don't know all the details. It's not all about outraged sound bytes. I've got to economize this year, so all I can say is:



3) Do HRC supporters see a move to show out in force for her on election night 2016, IF SHE IS THE NOMINEE, like that for Obama in 2012. Fox's O'Reilly was stunned when that occured, Rove was in a state of denial, and it was a full serving of TEOTWAWKI that night. GOP and Libertarians were wailing and wanting to leave the country to go to bastions of freedom who would most likely refuse them a visa. All of them framed it as the end of American (white, conservative America) and if Hillary does win the General Election (IF NOMINATED) will the white male Republican voting base feel feel that their masculinity has sustained an unexpected and irreparable blow?

4) The media is going to pull out everything they can to demonize and defeat her. Do you see a surprise victory for Hillary? TIA.

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