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Gothmog

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27. Even if Sanders wins both Iowa and New Hampshire, he will not be the nominee
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jan 2016

I am having difficulty seeing how two 90+% white states are meaningful for the Democratic primary as does Nate Silver http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-new-hampshire/

So why do I still think Sanders is a factional candidate? He hasn’t made any inroads with non-white voters — in particular black voters, a crucial wing of the Democratic coalition and whose support was a big part of President Obama’s toppling of Clinton in the 2008 primary. Not only are African-Americans the majority of Democratic voters in the South Carolina primary (a crucial early contest), they make up somewhere between 19 percent and 24 percent of Democrats nationwide. In the past two YouGov polls, Sanders has averaged just 5 percent with black voters. Ipsos’s weekly tracking poll has him at an average of only 7 percent over the past two weeks. Fox News (the only live-interview pollster to publish results among non-white voters in July and August) had Clinton leading Sanders 62-10 among non-white Democrats in mid-July and 65-14 in mid-August. Clinton’s edge with non-whites held even as Sanders cut her overall lead from 40 percentage points to 19....

But even if you put aside those metrics, Sanders is running into the problem that other insurgent Democrats have in past election cycles. You can win Iowa relying mostly on white liberals. You can win New Hampshire. But as Gary Hart and Bill Bradley learned, you can’t win a Democratic nomination without substantial support from African-Americans.

I think that Clinton should win Iowa due to a superior ground game and the lack of a ground game by the Sanders campaign. However, neither Iowa nor NH represent the demographic base of the Democratic Party

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Hillary won New Hampshire in 2008, Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #7
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In 1992 a candidate lost both Iowa and NH, went on to win Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #8
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Even if Sanders wins both Iowa and New Hampshire, he will not be the nominee Gothmog Jan 2016 #27
I agree wholeheartedly! charlyvi Jan 2016 #28
Yup, he could win both states workinclasszero Jan 2016 #29
He might win the first Coolest Ranger Jan 2016 #30
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