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Hortensis

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19. I am more liberal than Hillary but have come to
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 03:40 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Thu Feb 11, 2016, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)

realize that I cannot support Bernie. I'd held that door open for some time. Yes, I definitely would vote for him over any GOP candidate because I share many of his stated goals and they're really scary, but nervously because I now finally recognize that Bernie is not a far wiser, more moderate and reasonable version of his more extremist followers but, rather, that they actually are a fairly true reflection of who he is.

I have them to thank for sending me to read about the far left in America. Because of that I now understand that their constant, profound disrespect and contempt for liberals and the intense righteousness and intolerance toward everyone who is "not with" them are characteristic of the anti-Democratic, extreme left wing." "Progressives," as this era's version is calling themselves only, reject all other progressives as enemies unworthy of the name. So typical, so telling! And so dysfunctional!

Of course, Sanders disses economists who disagree with him and others, like PP, who decide for practical reasons to support his opponent. These aren't just calculated political statements, they are expressions of genuine, newly generated contempt for those who aren't "with him."

Most shocking and clarifying is to understand that this group's greatest hostility is and always will be reserved for liberals, especially moderate liberals. Also that that intolerance of moderates is also the key to their strange lack of hostility to not just the right, but particularly those on the far right -- whom they strongly resemble in many important ways. Too many for comfort.

In any case, these are unfortunately not just minor traits that can be ignored in Sanders but evidence of a dysfunctional rigidity and inability to form alliances that historically has relegated extreme left movements to the sidelines of American politics. The Tea Party is a recent right-wing extremist success only because it was formed and funded by the Kochs and their coalition.

“Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?”

"The Democratic Party ideologically bankrupt, they have no ideology. Their ideology is opportunism.”

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party."

Bernie Sanders


“Bernie alienates his natural allies. His holier-than-thou attitude—saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else—really undercuts his effectiveness.” - Rep. Barney Frank


"Guma recalled meeting Sanders for the first time at a campaign information session and asking why the candidate for Senate should get his vote. ... "Do you know what the movement is? Have you read the books?" he recalled Sanders responding. "If you didn't come to work for the movement, you came for the wrong reasons—I don't care who you are, I don't need you." From Mother Jones


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Great read! I support Hillary, but still defended Bernie Lucinda Feb 2016 #1
Interesting, Lucinda.. thank you for that. Cha Feb 2016 #13
posted here instead of to lunamagica Lucinda Feb 2016 #40
I hope there is a debate centered in foreign policy lunamagica Feb 2016 #17
me too! Lucinda Feb 2016 #43
I am more liberal than Hillary but have come to Hortensis Feb 2016 #19
Great post! This is a good description of my path to supporting Hillary too/ Squinch Feb 2016 #38
The total disregard for others views is astounding. Lucinda Feb 2016 #42
Interesting research, but not surprising. Hortensis Feb 2016 #44
I agree. It sems the definition of "corrupt" for some is directly related to Lucinda Feb 2016 #45
+1000! Encouragingly, in New Hampshire, as in Iowa, Hortensis Feb 2016 #46
Yep. She does have some trouble in these polls, which Lucinda Feb 2016 #47
Public slurs can never be fully erased from Hortensis Feb 2016 #48
It was pretty much a commercial for just how awesome she is. Lucinda Feb 2016 #50
Yes! A 13-hour virtuosa eye-opener for many. Hortensis Feb 2016 #53
I loved it when one guy from the audience at the town hall told her he watched it all Lucinda Feb 2016 #54
+1! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #51
agree with this post..thank-you for writing it ;) mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #2
My pleasure, Maggie ;) lunamagica Feb 2016 #18
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2016 #3
Yes shenmue Feb 2016 #4
This brings up several good points gwheezie Feb 2016 #5
His supportera are blinded by his peomises. Free college? $15.00 an hour to start with? lunamagica Feb 2016 #20
I agree with so much of this BainsBane Feb 2016 #6
It's just easier to go with simple platitudes, especially when he is saying what people want to hear lunamagica Feb 2016 #22
Figures BainsBane Feb 2016 #49
k/r Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #7
The New Know-Nothings, Treant Feb 2016 #8
Yes, they like to see themselves not just so much morally superion than us, but also intelectually lunamagica Feb 2016 #24
I did finally flip out on another board Treant Feb 2016 #32
K&R betsuni Feb 2016 #9
Excellent read... Satch59 Feb 2016 #10
One of the best articles I have ever read. I hope Hillary brings lunamagica Feb 2016 #25
K&R JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #11
So much to think about! lunamagica Feb 2016 #27
Wow, lunamagica .. I finally got the time to sit still and read this.. Cha Feb 2016 #12
IMO, that's the best point of many good ones made here. Hortensis Feb 2016 #21
Cha, this is one of the best analysis ever...it really shows how unprepared Sanders is for lunamagica Feb 2016 #26
What an excellent article, and a helluva good read. Thanks for posting it here. n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #14
Excellent indeed. Please shrare it anywhere you can lunamagica Feb 2016 #28
Will do! n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #33
and there is this other yuge reason to support Hillary over Bernie. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2016 #15
The GOP would tear him appart in a GE campaign over this lunamagica Feb 2016 #29
This is excellent! BooScout Feb 2016 #16
Beyond excellent! Please, share it anywhere you can! lunamagica Feb 2016 #30
I already have, lol BooScout Feb 2016 #35
I think a big part of the "attraction" is general revulsion at US foreign policy since WW2 The Green Manalishi Feb 2016 #23
Plus the promise of free college...it's not a slam to young people, but some things come with age lunamagica Feb 2016 #31
Kick & very highly recommended! William769 Feb 2016 #34
You make valid points regarding Bernie's weaknesses........ DrewFlorida Feb 2016 #36
I have no doubt whatsoever Ratty Feb 2016 #37
Anyone who claims that Hillary supporters... wysi Feb 2016 #55
Excellent! pandr32 Feb 2016 #39
Probably the best written expression of the many reasons why justhanginon Feb 2016 #41
Excellent article, lunamagica! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #52
Wow.. So Sanders has only around five percent of dem congress nominees?!? YCHDT Feb 2016 #56
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