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61. Oh, wow. You're right. It's coming to the home stretch now for the

Ready For Someone Else!™ types. It has been nothing but a search for ANY anti-HRC candidate, not caring what the person is really about. They fail to acknowledge that Sanders is neither anti-Obama nor is he anti-HRC, that would be bad for the mantra. It's the echo chamber at work.

I've followed Sanders with interest for a dozen years, but never thought he planned to run for POTUS. Then suddenly his long lost lovers come out of the woodwork, huh?

They clearly didn't know this, as it destroys their anti-Democratic Party fantasies. Their love is not credible. Enjoy this, from the Democratic Socialists of America:



Q. Aren't you a party that's in competition with the Democratic Party for votes and support?

A:No, we are not a separate party. Like our friends and allies in the feminist, labor, civil rights, religious, and community organizing movements, many of us have been active in the Democratic Party. We work with those movements to strengthen the party’s left wing, represented by the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

The process and structure of American elections seriously hurts third party efforts. Winner-take-all elections instead of proportional representation, rigorous party qualification requirements that vary from state to state, a presidential instead of a parliamentary system, and the two-party monopoly on political power have doomed third party efforts. We hope that at some point in the future, in coalition with our allies, an alternative national party will be viable. For now, we will continue to support progressives who have a real chance at winning elections, which usually means left-wing Democrats. 

http://www.dsausa.org/

That's how Bernie identifies himself.

Bernie Sanders Is Proudly Defending His Democratic Socialism From Ignorant Attacks

By Jason Easley - May, 4th, 2015

STEPHANOPOULOS: I can hear the Republican attack ad right now. He wants American to look more like Scandinavia.

SANDERS: That’s right. That’s right. And what’s wrong with that? What’s wrong when you have more income and wealth equality? What’s wrong when they have a stronger middle class in many ways than we do, higher minimum wage than we do, and they are stronger on the environment than we do? Look, the fact of the matter is, we do a lot in our country, which is good, but we can learn from other countries. We have, George, the highest rate of childhood poverty of any major country on earth, at the same time as we are seeing a proliferation of millionaires and billionaires. Frankly, I don’t think that is sustainable. I don’t think that’s what America is about.

According to the Democratic Socialists Of America,

Democratic Socialism does not mean government control of the economy, “Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.”

The problem is that Republicans have defined everything that isn’t trickle-down economics as socialism. Republicans define liberalism as socialism. Republicans think progressivism is socialism when in reality, they have no idea what socialism is.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/04/bernie-sanders-proudly-defending-democratic-socialism-ignorant-attacks.html

No one is going to find HRC against any of that! Her record does not show it. Nor does her rhetoric. Really, what is a more useful pursuit than Equality? Why dedicate years of one's life to the offal spewing from the GOP and Libertarians?

She doesn't, and neither should we spend our time that way. Make no mistake, wholesale denigradation of the Democratic Party and every single member such as that spewed, is not about getting a Democratic Socialist, a liberal or progressive in office.

It's just about destroying the organizing mechanism of our party to create change, and leaving a vacuum for the Koch brothers to fill up with more Libertarianism. Who's kidding who here?

Supporting Bernie does not mean destroying the Democratic Party as a whole/ refusing to vote for any Democrat/ or attaching oneself to another brand in an act of self-righteous rebellion. Or posting how much the Democratic Party betrayed one or how one will never vote Democratic again, etc. Pull my other finger. No, really. Do it.

Barney Frank was once admired on DU for his accomplishments, but is now maligned, after he ran against the media mold and said this:

Understand that the more deeply you hold your ideals, the more you are morally obligated to be pragmatic...

Idealism without pragmatism is just a way to flatter your ego.

With 'friends' such as those who toss good Democrats under the bus for every media generated poutrage, who needs enemies? And does anyone remember this from Barney?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/17/barney-frank-elizabeth-warren_n_6886862.html

And from Warren herself?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/31/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clinton_n_6977466.html

*sound of bus approaching*

How quickly she was discarded and now is forgotten. You were really onto something when you said they weren't really Sanders supporters. They just put on the robe for the time being. Sad, isn't it?

Some places are not about the people they claim to be in love with, those people are being used as tools for another plan. They're anti-HRC groups doing opposition research for the GOP. They are manufacturing media consent for what a GOP stolen election in 2016. After all, if the Democrats hate them, they can say we didn't show up to vote, thus their guy really did win. And if they get a lot of hits here, that 'proves it' and these posts are being spread like the POS thread on RW sites to 'prove even Democrats are not supporting their Party.' And the polls are attacked saying otherwise. Gotta keep up the meme, oh, yeah.

Bernie and Obama called out CU and the Koch brothers, as did Reid, Hartmann and other figures that have the public ear. The voices have become more insistent since Obama defied them in 2009 and said that a grass roots movement to pass a Constitutional amendment was required as soon as CU crippled fair elections thanks to:



Which has some real corporatists, not what HRC/ Obama/ Democrats are called here, richly enough, by those who follow the ultimate in corporatism, Libertarianism.

How Freedom Became Tyranny

By George Monbiot - 19th December 2011

Freedom: who could object? Yet this word is now used to justify a thousand forms of exploitation. Throughout the rightwing press and blogosphere, among thinktanks and governments, the word excuses every assault on the lives of the poor, every form of inequality and intrusion to which the 1% subject us. How did libertarianism, once a noble impulse, become synonymous with injustice?

In the name of freedom – freedom from regulation – the banks were permitted to wreck the economy. In the name of freedom, taxes for the super-rich are cut. In the name of freedom, companies lobby to drop the minimum wage and raise working hours. In the same cause, US insurers lobby Congress to thwart effective public healthcare; the government rips up our planning laws(1); big business trashes the biosphere. This is the freedom of the powerful to exploit the weak, the rich to exploit the poor.

Right-wing libertarianism recognises few legitimate constraints on the power to act, regardless of the impact on the lives of others. In the UK it is forcefully promoted by groups like the TaxPayers’ Alliance, the Adam Smith Institute, the Institute of Economic Affairs and Policy Exchange(2). Their conception of freedom looks to me like nothing but a justification for greed.

So why have we been been so slow to challenge this concept of liberty? I believe that one of the reasons is as follows. The great political conflict of our age – between neocons and the millionaires and corporations they support on one side and social justice campaigners and environmentalists on the other – has been mischaracterised as a clash between negative and positive freedoms...

Article really goes into depth after that and is worth reading:

http://www.monbiot.com/2011/12/19/how-freedom-became-tyranny/