Hillary Clinton

MADem

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119. It is leaving a mark. I think anyone with an iota of sensitivity detects the poor optics.

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:29 PM

Mar 2016

The attitude--intentionally, or NOT (and I am willing to concede the latter) -- smacked of the dismissiveness, the "hushing," the disregard that many women have endured and many men have witnessed. It doesn't just happen to women, either--it happens to anyone who doesn't fit the corporate white male paradigm--people of color and of varying ethnicities--anyone who is a "nail that sticks up" as the Japanese say. And we know about the nail that sticks up....it gets HAMMERED DOWN. And that is what appeared to be happening to anyone who watched that exchange--it was just not good.

More to the point, beyond the "hushing" stuff, was the fact that it took SO LITTLE to make Sanders "lose it." And that is what he did--he got I-fooking-RATE about a conversation that was spirited, but he acted like someone was calling his mama names. It calls into question his TEMPERAMENT for the job to which he is applying. And it also brings to mind reports that he is not a very nice person, one-on-one.

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Sanders to Clinton: 'Excuse me, I'm talking' [View all] MADem Mar 2016 OP

The audience gasped a couple times. yallerdawg Mar 2016 #1

Very telling when the audience "gasps".. must not have phased him. Cha Mar 2016 #65

Sanders can be tone deaf a lot of times.... riversedge Mar 2016 #80

Was it inappropriate at any time? Mira Mar 2016 #2

His finger and hand waiving while Hillary was speaking was deliberately distracting. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #7

Check out these Tweets from Blue Nation Review.. if you haven't seen them, SunSeeker Cha Mar 2016 #75

Yes Every time. Once again, this is Hillary's Group for her supporters. thank you. Cha Mar 2016 #23

He kept stuttering and waving his finger while she spoke--if you think this was "nothing" MADem Mar 2016 #27

He does tend to do that metroins Mar 2016 #34

That dynamic was noted, too--by many. nt MADem Mar 2016 #35

Sanders repeatedly invaded Hillary's personal space. riversedge Mar 2016 #81

Kind of hard to discount all these media outlets mcar Mar 2016 #3

That's just a skim off the top, too--there are many, many more...! nt MADem Mar 2016 #29

It looks like some of the Sanders supporters are now into Faux news and all are anti-MSNBC kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #138

It was kinda rude... bravenak Mar 2016 #4

I thought the "ghetto" remark was another clunker. MADem Mar 2016 #6

Omg I missed That!!! bravenak Mar 2016 #11

That one is FLYING off the shelves!!! MADem Mar 2016 #16

Oh boy!!! bravenak Mar 2016 #43

Did he ever travel to a real inner city.... Historic NY Mar 2016 #64

I got home too late to see the debate. How are you gonna rewatch? MadLinguist Mar 2016 #37

They are replaying it on cnn in 15 minutes. bravenak Mar 2016 #41

hey, thanks! MadLinguist Mar 2016 #44

Yr welcome! bravenak Mar 2016 #46

Tweet seen on BlueNation Review, bravenak.. Cha Mar 2016 #63

I physically cringed when he said "ghetto". I mean, dayum! Who says ghetto these days?? BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #51

Elvis!!!!!!!! MADem Mar 2016 #60

Tweet seen on BlueNation Review, BlueCali.. Cha Mar 2016 #62

He's clearly stuck in the 60s Ellen Forradalom Mar 2016 #88

He NEEDED to mansplain darn it! eom fleabiscuit Mar 2016 #5

This is making the rounds in concert with the "Excuse me..." memes. MADem Mar 2016 #10

Excellent! k@r fleabiscuit Mar 2016 #22

That captures it perfectly! SunSeeker Mar 2016 #74

Very good, MADem! brer cat Mar 2016 #90

Perfect! NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #102

Senator Sanders did himself no favors tonight. I was waiting for this the last few debates..... George II Mar 2016 #8

I think he's realizing metroins Mar 2016 #36

He had a singular strategy, and it had nothing to do with getting nominated. George II Mar 2016 #48

There is NOTHING wrong with what he said! Chasstev365 Mar 2016 #9

Have you taken a wrong turn? nt MADem Mar 2016 #12

It was bad manners bravenak Mar 2016 #13

This is the Clinton group. Try your crap in GDP. shenmue Mar 2016 #14

He reached his finger waving limit and lost control Rose Siding Mar 2016 #18

So agree SharonClark Mar 2016 #28

That is why he has been universally disliked in the House and Senate. Others are cordial with him... George II Mar 2016 #115

Maybe not 'what he said' but how he said it nini Mar 2016 #40

Right.. his tone, especially. Cha Mar 2016 #57

Huh? Did we see the same debate? He was wagging his hand and interrupting all night. George II Mar 2016 #47

That and his ghetto/taxi remarks will be the take-aways Rose Siding Mar 2016 #15

Everybody sing!!!! MADem Mar 2016 #17

ha! Rose Siding Mar 2016 #21

It just sounded stupid, clunky and again, tone deaf. He sounded CLUELESS. MADem Mar 2016 #32

That was part of that "white people don't know poverty" section too, wasnt it? Lucinda Mar 2016 #24

Yes and it perpetuates an ugly time worn stereotype Rose Siding Mar 2016 #26

It was really weird to whitesplain the taxi thing. I think that example has been used up. Nailzberg Mar 2016 #31

It feels like he hasn't updated his opinion on that topic since that example was relevant KitSileya Mar 2016 #91

In my opinion fun n serious Mar 2016 #19

Thank you. I have felt this way from the start. kaiden Mar 2016 #92

I remember one of the 1st dem debates Her Sister Mar 2016 #96

K&R sheshe2 Mar 2016 #20

No, a man of any race, feels that women just are not equal Iliyah Mar 2016 #25

Thank you for this, MADem! Look @ how Presidential Hillary looks... Cha Mar 2016 #30

The internet is NOTICING this shit. In a big way. MADem Mar 2016 #33

And, not just that.. Tweet from your first link.. Thank you! Cha Mar 2016 #38

This stuff is not going away.... MADem Mar 2016 #58

Good, nor should it. More... I think it was his tone as well... Cha Mar 2016 #61

It was his tone... NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #103

I wonder if Hillary was thinking.. "Okay, Rick.. please proceed.."? Cha Mar 2016 #106

Wow! Profound. That is exactly what I felt listening to him nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #42

Wow. Most excellent. And disturbing. K&R fleabiscuit Mar 2016 #54

It's so.......*dismissive* of him to do that to her. Rose Siding Mar 2016 #39

that is some ugly stuff right there. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #83

Hillary has what it takes to be President .. a calm cool demeanor that gets the job done.. Cha Mar 2016 #85

She has mastered the art Ellen Forradalom Mar 2016 #89

lol!! Her Sister Mar 2016 #98

"Please proceed, Governor (Senator)..." spooky3 Mar 2016 #133

This is " who he is" nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #45

Very poor presentation, Bernie. UtahLib Mar 2016 #49

You're being kind ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #87

My roommate mentioned this after seeing him at a rally last month... anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #50

It isn't easy running for president. Very taxing and tiring. Yet I can't help but notice BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #52

That was my opinion after seeing the debate before this one Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #59

All this and nothing about the issues facing the nation, sounds like the *** here? fourcents Mar 2016 #53

Look around. There is more than one thread in this group. eom fleabiscuit Mar 2016 #55

We do.. as flea said.. look around. You are not welcome to come into our group and ask Cha Mar 2016 #56

Respectfully I apologize if I offended? But you all are always welcome to anything I post fourcents Mar 2016 #66

Well it wasn't true what you said. But, this is a private Hillary group and we have the Cha Mar 2016 #68

What a bunch of stooopid crap. NoSeVaya Mar 2016 #67

As an old lady.. MrWendel Mar 2016 #69

Here's your hat, what's your hurry? MADem Mar 2016 #71

HAHAHAHAHAHLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.. "..he is polite.." ROFL! Cha Mar 2016 #73

"i wonder what would happen if Hillary said "Excuse me. I'm talking!" While wagging her finger..." SunSeeker Mar 2016 #77

Yes, she would be.. it would be unseemly and very unpresidential.. but, that's not who she is.. Cha Mar 2016 #79

I don't think so. Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #101

Oh please. Even though it was BS who interrupted her, folks here claim she interrupted him! SunSeeker Mar 2016 #111

I think they were both interrupting each other. Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #114

Hillary did not interrupt him in that exchange. HE interrupted her call out of his No vote. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #116

It is not Bernie Sanders propaganda. It is my opinion. Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #118

Really, you say "Excuse me, I'm talking" to your husband and he says that to you? SunSeeker Mar 2016 #125

If my husband wagged his finger in my face and was being that condescending, that finger would kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #139

LOL SunSeeker Mar 2016 #140

No problem Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #141

But this is a workplace exchange, not a conversation between life partners. What is spooky3 Mar 2016 #134

You seem concerned. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #84

Really disrespectful behavior by Senator Sanders SanDiegoDem Mar 2016 #70

Wow.. Thank you, SanDiegoDem! You described it well! Cha Mar 2016 #72

welcome to DU! spooky3 Mar 2016 #135

The most galling thing about that line is that HE had interrupted her. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #76

thanks for the reminder, SunSeeker.. because that's what I had gathered reading some of Cha Mar 2016 #78

when he did that DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #82

bernie always has some excuse why he's not helpful. Cha Mar 2016 #86

I just tried this line on my wife while discussing what lies ahead for us today ... LannyDeVaney Mar 2016 #93

lol Cha Mar 2016 #97

ROFL! NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #105

LOL!!!!!!! nt MADem Mar 2016 #121

... SunSeeker Mar 2016 #126

Good job with those links. Obviously everyone noticed that. George II Mar 2016 #94

That was right after the debate, too--and just the tip of the iceberg. MADem Mar 2016 #122

Lots of tweets reacted to his repeated rudeness. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #95

He believed his people--he's living in a bubble and his staff is reacting to a large MADem Mar 2016 #100

Tad Devine was Al Gore's campaign manager, too.. many of us commentedthat BS Cha Mar 2016 #104

You got that EXACTLY right, MADem! NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #107

I think it is a bit much Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #99

It's not that HE was being sexist, necessarily, but he was certainly being RUDE and abrasive. MADem Mar 2016 #109

Establishmentarian! Cha Mar 2016 #112

I don't think he would have. missingthebigdog Mar 2016 #127

He feels it all slipping away, the adoration, the notoriety, the Presidency. All going away. Fla Dem Mar 2016 #108

Nailed it! pandr32 Mar 2016 #110

I do think you're right--he's on the downhill slide of that bell curve, and he's digging in his MADem Mar 2016 #120

Wow Bernie... MrWendel Mar 2016 #113

BS supporters are in full on damage control today. vdogg Mar 2016 #117

It is leaving a mark. I think anyone with an iota of sensitivity detects the poor optics. MADem Mar 2016 #119

Totally agree. I once had a colleague who was JUNIOR to me that would literally say "shhhhh" when spooky3 Mar 2016 #128

That must have been infuriating. MADem Mar 2016 #136

It was, thanks. But what a great experience with the admiral- thanks for sharing that story. spooky3 Mar 2016 #137

Sanders reeks of Jack Layton (former NDP leader) PM Martin Mar 2016 #123

Speaks to temperament, and not in a good way. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #124

until last night, I was happy with both our candidates, for different reasons, but now spooky3 Mar 2016 #130

I think BS may have "Lazio-ed" himself last night. I can pinpoint the moment Lazio lost to Hillary. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #131

yes, several people around the internet have been saying this and I'm beginning to agree with you. spooky3 Mar 2016 #132

My father used to say that to my mother. cwydro Mar 2016 #129

My dad DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #142

Oh, the shit usually hit the fan at that point. cwydro Mar 2016 #143