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Rose Siding

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56. He's serious. Just found a transcript and he researched the plot back to 1980
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:58 AM
Mar 2016
If you are the frontrunner in the nominating process, even if you have a significant delegate lead, that delegate lead with pledged delegates can become very soft if you don't continue to win. That's the point I'm trying to illustrate.

We don't have a plan at the moment to start calling all the Clinton delegates once they get selected and try to sway them individually to vote for Bernie Sanders. But we do believe that if we can succeed in this last half of the process as much as Hillary did or even more so, that there will be enormous pressure on people who are delegates at this convention to do the right and responsible thing.

We think the right and responsible thing will be to support the candidate who is the strongest candidate to go up against the Republicans, particularly if the Republicans select Donald Trump as the nominee. We really think it changes the game in a fundamental way.

The Democrats will be deeply concerned about having the possibility of a guy like Trump being the President of the United States.

So, as to the standard that I'm referring to in the Democratic Party. In 1980, we had the big fight over this. The standard was that a delegate who didn't vote for a candidate for whom they were elected could be removed physically from the floor of the convention and replaced by an alternate who was pledged to that candidate who would cast the vote in favor of that candidate.

After the '80 convention and the Hunt commission, the standard in the Democratic Party was changed to the standard we now refer to as "fair reflection." That is embodied in the rules of delegate selection, and also in the call to the convention.

And it says, "A delegate shall, in all good conscience, reflect the sentiments of the voters who participated in primaries and caucuses." That is our standard. Not a standard embodied in a law, for example, that says that you have to vote for somebody. By the way, many states do have laws like that but it's been demonstrated constitutionally that those laws cannot be enforced in light of the Democratic Party's very strong First Amendment associational interest to make its own party rules.

The Democratic Party rule will define what happens in this instance. And that rule is a standard of fair reflections. Those delegates are free to do what they want to fairly reflect those sentiments of voters who participated in primaries and caucuses, but they are not bound in any way to do so.


http://crooksandliars.com/2016/03/sanders-camp-lays-out-strategy-remaining


That was posted by a Sanders supporter who strongly disagrees with the tactic-

The very suggestion that those earned delegates should somehow be induced or wooed to break that pledge is just plain wrong. Before you throw shoes at me, rest assured I'd say the same thing about Hillary if her camp suggested such a thing about Bernie Sanders' earned delegates.

The purpose of primaries is for voters to express their party preference for the general election. If you're not the frontrunner, keep striving. But don't suggest some kind of attempt at delegate revolt as the way forward and expect respect for it.

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The pledged delegates would not flip. charlyvi Mar 2016 #1
It's sabre rattling but I don't gak the purpose Rose Siding Mar 2016 #9
I think it's keeping the troops in the tent charlyvi Mar 2016 #14
Sanders is raking in the dough Politicub Mar 2016 #17
As long as the cash spigot stays on... yallerdawg Mar 2016 #2
It's a revolution damnit cosmicone Mar 2016 #3
LOL livetohike Mar 2016 #5
Their desperation is apparent. It does not look good for livetohike Mar 2016 #4
Salon last month: Tad Devine is the Karl Rove to Sanders’ 2016 populist uprising Rose Siding Mar 2016 #11
It's all about who is paying his bill right now... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #52
Ug. Has Devine no shame? SunSeeker Mar 2016 #6
and no sense SharonClark Mar 2016 #42
Well, let's just ask Presidents Dukakis, Gore & Kerry about Mr. Devine's campaign acumen. Oh wait.. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #7
I know I'll catch flak for this; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #8
No flak from me Rose Siding Mar 2016 #12
Okay, maybe the flak will come here ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #16
It makes him look like an opportunist, not the decent, honest icon his supporters charlyvi Mar 2016 #18
But, I honestly, think this is not coming from Bernie. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #24
If his campaign is doing it, Bernie is doing it. charlyvi Mar 2016 #26
I, on the other hand, think it is consistent with someone ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #29
But Tad Devine is highest on the food chain charlyvi Mar 2016 #39
Agreed. But I really don't think ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #41
Exactly! charlyvi Mar 2016 #43
There's no easy way to say this but... fleabiscuit Mar 2016 #44
I don't think it has anything to do with his age ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #55
He did recently say he ran as a Dem for media coverage Rose Siding Mar 2016 #27
He can't say the DNC did not give him a chance, it is his campaign to run, we just did not buy into Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #15
Yep. It was a bad idea and I think it will never happen again. bravenak Mar 2016 #28
Hey, Woman! ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #31
Hey!! bravenak Mar 2016 #32
Well, the Orange wasn't the new Black. eom 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #34
:( bravenak Mar 2016 #35
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #36
Hey! Me too. I like it! bravenak Mar 2016 #37
No flak from me DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #30
I am an unapologetic DEMOCRAT ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #33
I get the feeling that he & the people around him fully intend to blow the whole thing up. As a... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #46
Exactly the reason why I'm concerned... Light63 Mar 2016 #50
FWIW, BS has promised he won't mount an independent campaign. But like you, it comes down to trust. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #58
No one is flipping anything MSMITH33156 Mar 2016 #10
So let me get this straight... jmowreader Mar 2016 #13
Could you, just, imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #20
brilliant! SanDiegoDem Mar 2016 #21
It's the way you almost HAVE to think jmowreader Mar 2016 #22
I watched CNN's coverage mostly last night and every time Rose Siding Mar 2016 #25
Steve Kornacki basically said the same thing. "It upsets the Sanders supporters when we add in SD's" Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #47
It's just one more way for them to deny reality Rose Siding Mar 2016 #49
The M$M tiptoes around BS & Trump supporters, and we know why. n/t Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #57
That won't be happening. MineralMan Mar 2016 #19
Plus, any pledged delegate that flipped ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #23
"That spokesperson is talking from an opening at the other end of the digestive tract." fleabiscuit Mar 2016 #45
Steal away with my blessing! MineralMan Mar 2016 #48
He's serious. Just found a transcript and he researched the plot back to 1980 Rose Siding Mar 2016 #56
I saw a defense of this that he meant to say super dels. No. Full quote: Rose Siding Mar 2016 #38
I think if they start playing games its going to be shutdown...... Historic NY Mar 2016 #40
That sounds like trying to steal delegates. Very unbecoming and sounds desperate. n/t Lil Missy Mar 2016 #51
Flipping pledged delegates may not be legal and will be next to impossible Gothmog Mar 2016 #53
Hard to tell Rose Siding Mar 2016 #54
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