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idwiyo

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108. Starting with its 2 year old report. Next would be facts vs hearsay. You know how to tell them apart

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 05:42 PM

Mar 2013

Chavez sold oil to China. And what? Deal was they shouldn't resell. They did. That's Chavez's fault according to you. He should have foreseen it somehow. Bad Chavez. Is this all you can come up with?

Someone is a boligarch. He denies it. Accusations of favouritism without proof. Nothing new there.

Some other politician makes some more accusations. Again nothing verifiable, just someone said something.

Next according to you Chavez should sell gasoline to rich people for higher price then he sells it to poor? Because it benefits rich people? This is just plain nuts.

Just because its Al Jaseera doesn't mean I have to trust anything they say. In this case I would like some proof of accusations. Something. There was nothing offered besides hearsay. But you consider it a brilliant journalism...

Got something better?

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Allied Parties Give Backing to Venezuela's Maduro [View all] Catherina Mar 2013 OP

Maduro will win. David__77 Mar 2013 #1

Yeah, he has unlimited coffers. joshcryer Mar 2013 #2

Maduro has unlimited public support. Here, fixed it for you. idwiyo Mar 2013 #5

The head of his campaign mobalization is the head of... PDVSA. joshcryer Mar 2013 #7

Thank you for providing even more RW propaganda. This time from Carlos Ardila Lulle owned media. idwiyo Mar 2013 #8

Haha! It's from AVN! Here's the original article on SiBCI: joshcryer Mar 2013 #9

Am not sure what is it are you laughing about? You provided a link to yet another RW website. idwiyo Mar 2013 #11

I posted a Ven Gov article. joshcryer Mar 2013 #17

You provided a link to RW media website that republished an article from Ven Gov media website. idwiyo Mar 2013 #19

Wrong. I baited ignorant posters into bashing Ven. sources. joshcryer Mar 2013 #21

Bullshit. You tried to present yet another RW source as a legit source of info. idwiyo Mar 2013 #24

Wrong. I saw AVN in the date of the article. joshcryer Mar 2013 #28

You posted a link to RW propaganda website. It doesn't matter that they reprinted an article from idwiyo Mar 2013 #29

"Generally it's the only website." joshcryer Mar 2013 #34

You posted a link to RW media website. The only reason to do that is to present it as "fair & idwiyo Mar 2013 #37

I don't care about people trusting websites. joshcryer Mar 2013 #39

Your source IS the RW media website that reprinted the article from Gov of Venezuela website. idwiyo Mar 2013 #42

When some nasty person starts insulting me... joshcryer Mar 2013 #44

Dude.. naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #33

Dude, I don't care about the actual article. What I care about is someone posting links to RW media idwiyo Mar 2013 #40

??? naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #50

Did you actually bother to have a look who owns the website that reprinted that article? idwiyo Mar 2013 #52

Yes naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #54

That's like saying its OK to post links to FOX News, if not worse. Since when did it became OK idwiyo Mar 2013 #55

Fox News naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #56

FOX News. That's what wrong but it looks like you either don't get it or deliberately pretend idwiyo Mar 2013 #58

I guess naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #72

Well, go ahead and explain why it's OK to post links to FOx and similar RW media sites on DU. idwiyo Mar 2013 #99

BecauSe naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #100

This is really silly. A link, by definition, is simply a pointer to other data. You Flatulo Mar 2013 #84

Doubt the poster ever has attempted to claim this democratic message board Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #85

Total BS. Pointing people to RW websites is the same as saying its OK to trust them because they are idwiyo Mar 2013 #91

I think your your beliefs about Josh's motivations are clouding your thinking on this issue. Flatulo Mar 2013 #104

That's exactly what I did. joshcryer Mar 2013 #106

BS. Takes few minutes to post a link to originating website or at least find something that doesn't idwiyo Mar 2013 #111

Any time you're prepared to refute the data, I'm happy to follow along. Flatulo Mar 2013 #112

I am not going to bother with links to FOX and its ilk. Why should I spend my time verifying idwiyo Mar 2013 #113

Thank you for your time. nt Flatulo Mar 2013 #114

Capriles came out bashing the homophobia, actually. joshcryer Mar 2013 #10

Sorry. "Fervent Catholic" and defender of Equal Human Rights for all just don't go together. idwiyo Mar 2013 #12

Eh, you're the one defending the poor LGBT performance of Maduro. joshcryer Mar 2013 #13

Can you please point out where exactly I defend "poor LGBTQ performance by Maduro"? idwiyo Mar 2013 #14

"Both candidates are guilty in this regard." joshcryer Mar 2013 #15

Capriles is "fervent Catholic" by his own words. THAT doesn't go together with Defender of LGBTQ idwiyo Mar 2013 #16

That's a white wash. He's come out against LGBTQ discrimination. joshcryer Mar 2013 #18

So, what stoping him with condemning RCC and dropping his "fervent Catholic" claim? idwiyo Mar 2013 #20

Can you name one Latin American Presidential candidate or politician who has done that? joshcryer Mar 2013 #22

Don't try to wiggle out of it. We are talking about Capriles and his campaign promises. idwiyo Mar 2013 #23

Capriles is a liar. He said whatever he thought he had to say, to win. And liars always end up sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #25

He can propose the law against discrimination of LGBTQ right now. No need to wait until after idwiyo Mar 2013 #26

He's won't put up laws to defend the LGBT community because right now it's the smart move Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #31

He already said he will do so when he is elected. I am guessing THAT would damage him enough idwiyo Mar 2013 #35

"he wants to privitise everything" joshcryer Mar 2013 #45

I'm studying in Miami because my family and I decided to leave the country. Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #53

It was always an ideological issue. Rich vs dirt poor. People who have no problem selling their idwiyo Mar 2013 #57

That's the kind of reply you give? Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #60

Sick and tired refuting the same old arguments over and over and over again. idwiyo Mar 2013 #62

Fair enough. I'd like a link or something I could use to see where you refute them Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #66

I'd like to see a link from you where some here claim Ven is a "socialist utopia". Mika Mar 2013 #101

"selling their country resources to the highest foreign bidder" joshcryer Mar 2013 #63

They sell oil to US. Nationalised resource. But you know that, don't you? They don't let someone idwiyo Mar 2013 #65

China got oil at $5 a barrel. joshcryer Mar 2013 #67

2010 report, some accusations as usual. Nothing specific. Not even sure what is it that Chavez idwiyo Mar 2013 #87

China oil naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #88

And it's Chavez fault? He should have known it would happen in advance? What? Is it still going? idwiyo Mar 2013 #90

Well, naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #92

Have a few minutes on internet, here you go: naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #93

I actually posted that link up thread. joshcryer Mar 2013 #119

She reported the facts, as Al Jazeera is known to do. joshcryer Mar 2013 #107

Starting with its 2 year old report. Next would be facts vs hearsay. You know how to tell them apart idwiyo Mar 2013 #108

He should've never sold it so cheap. joshcryer Mar 2013 #117

You are laboring under a misperception people might find your family history Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #69

How kind of you. joshcryer Mar 2013 #71

Still waiting for someone to actually address the points I made instead of attacking me Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #73

Maybe you should start with providing some links to independent sources so one can at a least idwiyo Mar 2013 #89

Alright, here's one concerning the crime rate Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #95

Crime rate is not a secret and was never in dispute. Who and why is responsible is different matter. idwiyo Mar 2013 #96

I found his family history interesting Zorro Mar 2013 #75

How is Lawrence, KS? naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #76

Hell she's never even been to Miami Zorro Mar 2013 #79

For what its worth naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #82

lol. naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #74

It's a good thing I know you're being sarcastic, or else I would've just given up in this thread :P Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #77

Of course naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #78

Not even Reagan has such fanatism from the most hardcore right-wingers Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #80

Reductio ad Hitlerum? ocpagu Mar 2013 #97

Said it better than I could. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #83

That's why I disagree with you. ocpagu Mar 2013 #102

I wasnt' commenting on voting for Chavez naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #103

Oh, I knew it was coming... ocpagu Mar 2013 #86

In what moment did I claim to be "superior"? Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #94

The point is that Capriles went one further than Maduro. joshcryer Mar 2013 #27

So claiming to be Catholic automatically makes you a homophobe... That makes PERFECT sense Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #30

Claiming to be "fervent Catholic" does. Also, if he is so pro-LGBTQ rights, why not to introduce idwiyo Mar 2013 #32

Oh lordy he's not going to get elected. joshcryer Mar 2013 #36

Defend them by doing something about it instead of paying lip service. Words are damn cheap. idwiyo Mar 2013 #38

Why not Maduro? joshcryer Mar 2013 #41

We are talking about Capriles, The Defender of LGBTQ Rights, no? If Maduro wants to prove that he idwiyo Mar 2013 #43

Capriles has never said a bigoted statement. joshcryer Mar 2013 #46

"Fervent Catholic" by his own words. Enough said. idwiyo Mar 2013 #47

Nice. joshcryer Mar 2013 #48

Makes it that much harder to believe in Capriles The Defender Of LGBTQ Rights. idwiyo Mar 2013 #51

I've been here since 2002. joshcryer Mar 2013 #59

You have been here since 2002 proves exactly what? See quote below from your own post idwiyo Mar 2013 #61

Why are you here? joshcryer Mar 2013 #64

Your source was RW media website. I made sure that anyone who reads our exchange knows idwiyo Mar 2013 #68

You're wrong, N24 is not RW. joshcryer Mar 2013 #70

You admitted yourself posting links to RW websites because it amuses you. Your words, not mine. idwiyo Mar 2013 #110

Why would I apologize for posting news wire articles? joshcryer Mar 2013 #115

Ha ha ha ha ha. Of course they should, you poor innocent you! idwiyo Mar 2013 #116

You're repeating yourself. joshcryer Mar 2013 #118

See my previous post. :) idwiyo Mar 2013 #120

NEWSFLASH: TED KENNEDY IS A HOMOPHOBE nt naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #81

Wait. I didn't post NTN24. I posted N24. joshcryer Mar 2013 #49

Yes, priceless. You are so used posting RW crap it took YOU several hours to figure out that this idwiyo Mar 2013 #98

No, I was more concerned that it was cited as AVN. joshcryer Mar 2013 #105

Of course you were. idwiyo Mar 2013 #109

I did read all of your 'screeds' (note that word, it appears to be a favorite of certain sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #121

Thank you, it means a lot coming from you. You are an inspiration for me, as are few other posters idwiyo Mar 2013 #122

That is a very sweet thing for you to say. And I return the compliment, sincerely! sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #123

K&R thank you for posting this idwiyo Mar 2013 #3

Good, I believe he will win. The Venezuelan people appear to know what is good for their country. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #4

+1 idwiyo Mar 2013 #6