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sabrina 1

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5. Crime has fallen over the past 20 years according to what we are told.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:07 PM
Mar 2013

But then we have the revelations exposing the under-reporting of crime by the NYPD eg, a huge scandal surfacing over the past number of years.

Crime 'inched up in 2011' according to reports by the FBI.

Your attempt to place the blame or credit for crime on Presidents, well on SOME presidents, is the issue here.

The drop in crime rates in the US over the past 20 years therefore should be credited to both Bushes, and Clinton as well as Obama. And the rise in crime in 2011 would be Obama's fault, according to your logic.

However when you factor in the under-reporting of serious crime by large PDs such as the NYPD for political purposes, it's hard to know exactly what the facts are.

The point is that presidents have little control over crime rates. The US eg, credits the drop in crime rates (which are still not certain are accurate considering the recent scandals surrounding the reporting) to such Reagan policies as the Drug War. High incarceration is credited with the 'drop in crime'. I suppose Venezuela could lock up one in less than 100 of its citizens but if they did that, the Chavez haters would accuse them of oppression.

Another factor credited with the 'drop in crime rates' in the US is 'lengthier sentences'. The Prison Industrial Complex therefore is responsible being that they lobby for longer sentences to ensure their profit margins.

Obama is President of Chicago and all the other cities on the highest crime list of cities in the country. So, according to your logic, he IS responsible for Chicago, St. Louis and all the others.

Crime is a tragedy for all of its victims, ONE victim is one too many. To try to use such a tragic issue for political purposes is reprehensible. No president is responsible for what criminals choose to do. And no president can magically prevent crime. It takes many programs, policies and most of all, COOPERATION of all citizens, parties etc. to deal with the issue of crime.

It is really sick to see the glee with which the anti-Chavez contingency repeatedly 'boasts' about Venezuela's crime rate. Sort of the way Republicans here blamed Democrats for high crime, for being 'soft on criminals' but we all know they could not have cared less about the issue.

If you care about those victims, then the best thing to do is try to help the government in its efforts to reduce the numbers. USING those victims for political purposes is simply disgusting.

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wilms: 2,244 people killied since Newtown under Barak Obama. Wilms Mar 2013 #1
thats just stupid since Venezuela doesn't even have a tenth of the population Bacchus4.0 Mar 2013 #2
Lol, the danger of blaming presidents for crime rates. You'd think they'd sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #3
the numbers under Rahm are terrible, he sucks Bacchus4.0 Mar 2013 #4
Crime has fallen over the past 20 years according to what we are told. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #5
I'm curious naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #6
I have no knowledge as to why crime is so high but I will do some research sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #15
presidents are responsible for policies and Chavez failed miserably Bacchus4.0 Mar 2013 #7
Actually, most of Chavez's efforts on crime have been successful naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #8
Presidents are responsible for policies?? Really? I am told here constantly sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #9
I havent' seen anyone on this forum say that naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #10
Do you mean on the Latin America forum or DU? sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #11
LA forum naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #12
Obama has been driving the debate for 5 years Bacchus4.0 Mar 2013 #13
The HC Bill that put public funds in the hands of Private Corporations sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #14
I remember when you laughably compared executive powers to decrees. joshcryer Mar 2013 #21
I remember when you laughably denied that fact. The US President has more 'decree' sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #24
Wow, doubling down. joshcryer Mar 2013 #25
No matter how often you repeat this crap, Bacchus, Maduro is going to win! Peace Patriot Mar 2013 #16
The idiots have their charges against the Venezuelan government running in cycles. Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #18
Because he represents chavismo. joshcryer Mar 2013 #20
Chávez no ha muerto, el vive en la revolución! ˇHasta la victoria siempre! idwiyo Mar 2013 #17
Every time Maduro says Chavez' name, a Venezuelan dies. joshcryer Mar 2013 #19
Oh, for Pete's sake! You, too? I know you are a Capriles supporter but... Peace Patriot Mar 2013 #22
I have nothing in the game. joshcryer Mar 2013 #23
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