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ocpagu

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156. It was a inflammatory, strong remark.

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 05:25 PM

Mar 2013

But it is being taken out of context. He was referring to the intolerance of certain sectors of society (the video really doesn't give bases to say he was attacking the opposition) to medical community of Cuba and to the artistic and intelectual community of Venezuela. And I agree with what he's saying: several of Chávez critics do use fascist rhetoric.

And I don't think it's right to let the tree conceal the woods. He has a point.

The criticism chavistas face reminds me a lot of Lula.

Some years ago, for example, Lula said that the financial crisis was caused by "blue-eyed blond people" and we saw entire crowds in the press criticizing him for that and calling him racist. But he had a very good point (that the people who were suffering the most from the crisis are those who didn't have any influence in creating it) and this point was completely ignored and obscured by the criticism related to a small, pathetic and false detail (he's not, he's never been racist).

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Maduro calls Venezuela opposition "heirs of Hitler" [View all] Zorro Mar 2013 OP

We know they are heirs of El Caracazo massacre, ordered by their beloved Perez, Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #1

I am not surprised you would defend anti-Semitism Zorro Mar 2013 #2

I'm not surprised you defend phoney claims pulled outta asses in Washington's Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #3

So are you saying Maduro did not call the opposition "heirs of Hitler"? Zorro Mar 2013 #6

Your identification with Washington's bullies forces you to spin it that way. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #25

So are you saying Maduro did not call the opposition "heirs of Hitler"? Zorro Mar 2013 #27

Really? Because I've shown such anti-semitic traits, myself? Is that true? Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #32

Condoning Maduro's remarks Zorro Mar 2013 #129

You do know that Hitler's henchmen escaped BlueToTheBone Mar 2013 #154

Just to be clear, Maduro DID say it Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #13

The attempt to mangle it supports the filthy propaganda the US has been using Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #23

Don't bother. Pearls before swine... Though others might read it and think... There is always that. idwiyo Mar 2013 #36

I AM A NATIVE SPANISH SPEAKER. Did you even WATCH the video in the article? Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #52

Native English speakers hear, right-wingers, lie because they have no consciences. Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #59

Don't take it out on him so hard, Judi Zorro Mar 2013 #61

It has never stopped her... ocpagu Mar 2013 #70

She's clearly ill informed on this issue. joshcryer Mar 2013 #75

I speak spanish, and it is quite clear what he said. I posted a video in this thread that MADem Mar 2013 #114

I'm not an expatriate Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #93

January of 2006. ocpagu Mar 2013 #98

La Floresta? Lol. That's where my highschool was. Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #101

People are typically normal, regular folks. joshcryer Mar 2013 #104

I found the city wonderful. ocpagu Mar 2013 #116

Translation: "LALALALALALA! I can't hear you! I'm not listening!" Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #100

Interesting... ocpagu Mar 2013 #72

My point is a more believable comparison. Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #82

Did he call them heirs of hitler though? naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #145

It was a inflammatory, strong remark. ocpagu Mar 2013 #156

Ending $1.6 billion in subsidies is not the holocaust. joshcryer Mar 2013 #74

No way to move food to their stores, people to hospitals, to work, to school, Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #77

So, Venezuela as banana republic for Cuba is the solution? joshcryer Mar 2013 #86

Apparently you haven't spent enough time reading, too much time posturing. Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #108

Petrocaribe is not the San Jose Accord. joshcryer Mar 2013 #110

Succinctly said. +1000! nt MADem Mar 2013 #115

Would you care to explain how you reach these numbers? reorg Mar 2013 #119

Do the math. joshcryer Mar 2013 #121

I did the math, you provide misleading quotes reorg Mar 2013 #122

The FP article is behind a paywall. joshcryer Mar 2013 #123

So Venezuela has to take care of Cuba now as if they were some kind of son we owe everything to? Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #92

So why has Venezuela been involved in discounted oil trade throughout Central America Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #109

"Herederos de Hitler dirigen campaña en Venezuela" asegura Maduro MADem Mar 2013 #62

The term you're looking for is "Godwinning." Scootaloo Mar 2013 #118

Errrr, he is right... idwiyo Mar 2013 #4

How so? Zorro Mar 2013 #5

Its well outlined in post #1. Of shoe fits... idwiyo Mar 2013 #7

So... Zorro Mar 2013 #8

Here we go with anti-semitism... Just say it, you know you want to! idwiyo Mar 2013 #9

So... Zorro Mar 2013 #10

It's very stupid question. Doesn't deserve an answer. Next. idwiyo Mar 2013 #15

Well you're the one who asserted that Maduro was right Zorro Mar 2013 #17

Pick up an enemy, preferably foreigner. Accuse them of covertly controlling the state government, idwiyo Mar 2013 #19

No need to repeat your assertion Zorro Mar 2013 #20

.... idwiyo Mar 2013 #22

You should swing over to the Chavista treehouse Zorro Mar 2013 #24

Oh gosh, you are so adorable when you are pouting idwiyo Mar 2013 #26

Happy to hear you like it Zorro Mar 2013 #28

Awww, aren't you the cutest little squigly boo! idwiyo Mar 2013 #29

Well, let's see... Zorro Mar 2013 #31

COMMIE! And it's properly spelled DemoncRAT, in RW land. Don't they teach you anything? idwiyo Mar 2013 #34

And yet you still won't say you're a Democrat Zorro Mar 2013 #35

I am British and I already said I am a commie. Why should I lie and say I am a Democrat? idwiyo Mar 2013 #37

My mistake Zorro Mar 2013 #41

Limey Wankers! You are getting better Squigly Boo, you adorable little you! :) idwiyo Mar 2013 #42

Ya know, some of the right-wing trolls just don't take to ya. Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #38

I honestly don't get it. My avatar, my sigline should be dead give away... And yet... idwiyo Mar 2013 #39

People post a lot of crap on their sig lines Zorro Mar 2013 #130

Still pouting, Squigly Boo? idwiyo Mar 2013 #131

What Obama administration Latin American policies do you support? Zorro Mar 2013 #45

And your point is? idwiyo Mar 2013 #48

Hmmmm Zorro Mar 2013 #49

You are pouting again, Squigly Boo! idwiyo Mar 2013 #51

Don't forget to show up drunk, and crazy, like the peculiar Senator Joe McCarthy, Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #30

What are you gibbering about? Zorro Mar 2013 #33

Awwwww, Googliy Bear pouting again... It's OK Squigly Boo, don't be sad. Am sure your Momma idwiyo Mar 2013 #40

You've reached the Chavista treehouse! Zorro Mar 2013 #44

AI program can't compute a real living breathing Commie and goes into infinite loop? idwiyo Mar 2013 #46

Just pointing out you have continually evaded backing up your assertion Zorro Mar 2013 #50

The remarks he didn't make, you mean? Though the fabricated ones really fit. idwiyo Mar 2013 #53

Well if you say so Zorro Mar 2013 #56

Yes, textbook RW tactic to fabricate "facts" and insist they are "truth". Glad you agree. idwiyo Mar 2013 #58

OK Alice time to leave Wonderland Zorro Mar 2013 #60

Awwww, Squigly Boo is pouting again, you adorable little you! idwiyo Mar 2013 #64

He did make them. See post 62. MADem Mar 2013 #117

Thank you for your opinion. I read through it and will save it in "other people' opinions..." folder idwiyo Mar 2013 #133

The key bit wasn't what I said--it's what's on the video. Start at the 2 minute mark MADem Mar 2013 #136

That wasn't what I am talking about. My reference was to your opinion about my posts. idwiyo Mar 2013 #141

When you insult people--as you do--why are you surprised when they return your attentions in kind? MADem Mar 2013 #142

You did prove my point. You know damn well what "wanker" also stands for. And yet you decided idwiyo Mar 2013 #144

You really want me to comment on the specific use of the term "wanker?" MADem Mar 2013 #151

Unfortunately one of the meanings of this slur is a homophobic one. Not a common meaning but idwiyo Mar 2013 #152

I've been hearing the word for years, and never once have I heard it used in that context. Not once. MADem Mar 2013 #153

Don't bother with these guys Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #54

He never said "Cuban doctors are being shipped to extermination camps". ocpagu Mar 2013 #55

Sounds as if Maduro has taken a page from the Goebbels playbook Zorro Mar 2013 #57

Googly Bear, you sound like someone who is very fond of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. idwiyo Mar 2013 #63

Yeah, except, you know, Capriles hasn't even had an ad air yet. joshcryer Mar 2013 #76

He hasn't had an ad air? Can you prove that? Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #79

The CNE has forbidden any ads from airing until April 2nd. joshcryer Mar 2013 #83

IF Venezuelans can't recall the ads they saw only a few months ago around the clock, Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #91

Capriles will get 6-7 million votes again. joshcryer Mar 2013 #94

You are lying again reorg Mar 2013 #120

I don't believe you. joshcryer Mar 2013 #124

it was an ad by Capriles' party reorg Mar 2013 #126

I remember when VTV showed his biggest rally in Caracas. joshcryer Mar 2013 #127

Here's an english transition from another site: naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #150

and here is a 7 minute video of the speech reorg Mar 2013 #157

That Noticiero Digital article plays into chavista narrative. joshcryer Mar 2013 #159

Thank you, you explained it much better than I would. The opposition rhetoric towards Cuba idwiyo Mar 2013 #169

The rhetoric coming from Capriles camp against Cuba is almost to boot the same rhetoric idwiyo Mar 2013 #170

Can you please cite Capriles or his lead campaigners using that language? joshcryer Mar 2013 #173

Quick, goal posts move! And here is an example of the rhetoric, from a supporter right here on DU: idwiyo Apr 2013 #185

Maduro, by being the chavista leader, set the goal. joshcryer Apr 2013 #186

How odd is that? Is there any way to explain what you mean? n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #11

No need to confirm your lack of reading comprehension skills Zorro Mar 2013 #12

Message auto-removed bezrodny Mar 2013 #65

The blather you posted downstream Zorro Mar 2013 #68

Message auto-removed bezrodny Mar 2013 #69

Please elaborate Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #14

Start by reading about his political affiliations. Wiki is a good place to start for that one. idwiyo Mar 2013 #16

I'd like for YOU to make the comparisons, not tell someone to come up with their own conclusions Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #18

I highly doubt all 7 million were compared to Hitler. Just selected few at the head, it seems. idwiyo Mar 2013 #21

Everyone who voted for Capriles is "the opposition." joshcryer Mar 2013 #78

You're unaware of the great percentage of votes they openly recount unlike those here? Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #84

Nope. joshcryer Mar 2013 #88

Message auto-removed bezrodny Mar 2013 #43

Thank you for reminding me about WikiLeacks. And a great post, too. idwiyo Mar 2013 #47

Wow. Tremendous information. Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #66

Message auto-removed bezrodny Mar 2013 #67

Learned by some in public late in the game, they have crematoria, too: Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #71

Message auto-removed bezrodny Mar 2013 #80

So a lot of US Americans assumed this stuff ended when the CIA cocaine uncovered by Iran/Contra Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #111

What a nasty thread. joshcryer Mar 2013 #73

Message auto-removed bezrodny Mar 2013 #81

That the homophobic, antisemetic, bigot Maduro has support on DU? joshcryer Mar 2013 #85

Message auto-removed bezrodny Mar 2013 #95

You seemed concerned about the truth. joshcryer Mar 2013 #96

Message auto-removed bezrodny Mar 2013 #99

I don't do that. But it would certainly improve the stench. joshcryer Mar 2013 #102

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #103

Maduro? joshcryer Mar 2013 #105

Message auto-removed bezrodny Mar 2013 #106

Why thank you. Welcome to DU. joshcryer Mar 2013 #107

It's a simple truth. Capriles would have been gone along with the other a-holes. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #112

That poster is no longer with us. joshcryer Mar 2013 #125

It's a shame you found a way to get him eliminated. He spoke the truth, had facts. Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #128

More importantly they pointed to a treasure trove of information that I forgot about. idwiyo Mar 2013 #132

By getting every one of Bezrodny's posts deleted, he was able to destroy evidence Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #134

Here are some links: idwiyo Mar 2013 #140

Thanks for sharing these links, idwiyo. Looking forward to seeing them. Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #146

Forgot to post the link below: idwiyo Mar 2013 #149

Thank you so much for the links! ocpagu Mar 2013 #155

"refused to take measures to stop acts of violence" joshcryer Mar 2013 #160

I didn't do anything. joshcryer Mar 2013 #158

At least under that name.... MADem Mar 2013 #143

Just stop with this nonsense of pretending that the opposition to PSUV has any moral ground... ocpagu Mar 2013 #87

Both sides take swipes. Maduro is the leader of the chavistas though. joshcryer Mar 2013 #89

Message auto-removed bezrodny Mar 2013 #90

So a few columnists compare Chávez and his government to Hitler and Nazis Marksman_91 Mar 2013 #97

Glad to see the article mentioned the fact that other Venezuelan Presidents actually did block Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #113

It's a shame a really great new poster was able to get banned by just one "DU'er" here last night, Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #135

Oh stop whining Zorro Mar 2013 #137

You confuse letting DU'ers know what happened with whining. Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #138

Cheap. Shabby. Dirty. Zorro Mar 2013 #164

It's really a pity ocpagu Mar 2013 #139

This is not new--it happens all the time. MADem Mar 2013 #147

It's actually a shame "auto remove" exists. joshcryer Mar 2013 #163

I think the admins still have access to those offensive comments. MADem Mar 2013 #168

idwiyo posted in Ask the Admins. joshcryer Mar 2013 #174

Would depend on who was on the MIR Team. As we know, right-wingers are NOT welcome Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #175

MIRT members are stand up members of the DU community. joshcryer Mar 2013 #179

Who did it? naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #148

She accused me in posts #128 and #134. joshcryer Mar 2013 #162

I missed the posts naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #165

This thread is what did them in: joshcryer Mar 2013 #172

He got himself blocked from the thread by a jury. joshcryer Mar 2013 #161

Whom do you imagine you are fooling? Who else would gain from it? Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #166

Someone needs a Time Out Zorro Mar 2013 #167

None of my posts in this thread are hidden. joshcryer Mar 2013 #171

It was a shock to everyone who saw someone got him zapped, as we had read his posts. Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #176

Why do you think naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #177

That is simply untrue. No hidden post if he was civil. joshcryer Mar 2013 #178

I really don't remember seeing any toxic language or uncivic behavior by the poster. ocpagu Apr 2013 #181

You reviewed civilized answers and concluded that? joshcryer Apr 2013 #182

I was hoping someone would mention that. You don't have to know exactly what was said Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #183

From the way you tell it naaman fletcher Apr 2013 #188

Since the poster who got him removed fixed it so ALL his words were deleted, Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #184

Judi, if you simply cannot stand this "right-wing" behavior of banning users for being offensive... Marksman_91 Apr 2013 #187

I agree with your remarks. The poster is routinely rude, and name calls. MADem Apr 2013 #189

Kick. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #180